2 pizzas, a small order of breadsticks, and wanted to splurge and get cinnamon sticks.
Pizzas are a “Buy one get one deal!” at 13 bucks a pizza. Figured what the hell, I’ll splurge on desert then with the deal. Get to checkout… hold on a minute… 50 dollars for pizza?! Wait a minute 80 dollars after fees and taxes?!
Usually I only use Doordash for finding something, then I order direct from the store. I just saw the sweet “buy one get one” deal and thought eh, fine I’m here. Right, that’s why I stopped using door dash. I’m not spending 80 dollars on freaking pizza. I’ll just go pick it up and spend a quarter of that price.
At least I would have saved the $3 dollar delivery fee. Phew. Thanks DoorDash.
I still find it crazy thinking that people are rich enough to pay for services like this.
Rich people don’t pay for stupid shit like this, it’s how they stay rich.
Yeah, every time I think about getting Doordash, they sucker me in with promises of $1 delivery fees, etc. Then I take the time to find out what I want, put it in my cart, get excited, and…then I see the final price.
That’s when I close out of my browser and go preheat my oven so that I can put in a frozen pizza.
We created a rule, if you want to eat out, you have to be willing to get up and go get it. If you’re not willing to do that, you obviously don’t want it that badly and you can make something at home or do something else. It’s saved me probably thousands of dollars now. However DD is great at showing me what restaurants are around me, I just have to weed out the fake ones. Google has gotten worse and worse about showing me the small places around me.
That’s a great tip for finding new restaurants! I get to waste the middleman’s resources, too! Win win.
It’s even better when you realize they have a ton of metrics, and they are you clicking around to only end up not buying anything. I like to add stuff to my cart, only to walk away so they see that I saw the price and then left
To me, going and picking up food IS the lazy option. I refuse to be lazier than that. I mean, that’s not true. If delivery was free, I’d use it.
Ordered CFA with a friend a few weeks ago, an hour and a half later and it still hadn’t arrived. My friend canceled their order and we drove out to CFA and ordered it in person, it was less than $30 USD. That’s when they mentioned that the new order was less than half of what they were charged on DoorDash.
It blew my mind, they said it was close to $80 for two large chicken nuggets (whatever count that is) with two large fries, an OJ and a large fountain drink. The place was literally under 10 minutes away, they charged more than 2.5x for it, and it hadn’t even arrived in an hour and a half. DoorDash is terrible.
So, you’re a homophobe? Transphobe?
I ask that of everyone who says they spend money at CFA.
Do you buy any product from any corporation that has done anything negative or supported any negative agenda? Don’t be exhausting.
My sister uses doordash and there’s always something wrong. Yet she insists on trying again and again, and I can’t understand why.
I have never used them or Uber or others like this, and refuse to do so. They exploit their workers, they charge exorbitant fees, and when something’s wrong, it’s nobody’s fault.
If I want food, I go get it myself. I’m my own delivery boy! And contrary to a lot of people delivering food, I will not park on a sidewalk or in a bike lane.
The one thing I will say positively about DoorDash is that when something is wrong with the order, it is really easy to report it and receive fair credit in the app instantly.
I’ve been trying to order directly more often, to avoid fees and tips, and if something is wrong it’s almost always a hassle to get any kind of credit without going back to the store in person. I barely want to go in the first place, so having to go back just to get $3 doesn’t really make sense.
That’s their model, they make everything easy and take the loss. But after everyone started using them, they can do whatever they want.
I remember 10 years ago a collegue is telling me that that Amazon was great. You order something, it arrives and if there is an issue with the order, you can order a replacement by yourself and it will arrive before even you returned the first item. Few weeks ago I had an issue with an order and you need to contact the customer service for a solution. Chat was not working, you can request a call back but it wasn’t working either, they give you a number to call but it isn’t working. 4 years ago it was much easier to contact them.
Agreed. At some point in your life, time becomes the biggest luxury, so I very much prefer spending a couple of extra bucks on higher quality stuff to the hassle of returning cheaply made junk.
I have a friend who hates grocery shopping, so they get their food delivered, but then constantly complains about nonsensical substitutions. They’re not wrong that the substitutions don’t make sense, but there’s a really easy way to ensure you get exactly what you want…
These apps will die slowly until the companies can switch to self driving electric cars.
Once they become common/cheap enough that a pizza place can afford one or two self driving cars doing delivery the prices on these things will absolutely crash.
For pizza, I wouldn’t be surprised if it went a step further and the pizza was made and cooked by a robot inside the vehicle while it drives around. Only needing to go restock and recharge every few hours.
Not needing a retail location or almost any staff would make the whole thing super cheap to operate.
In the meantime fuck all food delivery.
How does the self driving car deliver to an apartment on the 6th floor?
I don’t think we will get to a place with self driving cars.
We’re already in a place with self-driving cars. They are operating as taxis in a half dozen cities in North America already and Waymo is expanding to like 12 cities total in the next year.
It won’t happen overnight, but the aren’t science fiction at this point, it’s just refinements.
Perhaps there but the UK I can’t see it.
Your government passed a law last year to allow it starting in 2026
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2024/10/contents/enacted
Perhaps I should have been clearer.
I can’t see it taking off, anywhere really, but here particularly as our roads are very different to American roads so I don’t think they’ll have much success outside of maybe a few limited areas.
I also don’t think we will ever get to a point of self driving being very popular. As you would need to get humans to stop driving really as a mix wouldn’t be very safe.
People said the same thing about cars taking over for horses.
People said the same thing about computers.
People said the same thing about the internet.
People said the same thing about cell phones.
I’m not sure people said those things.
The money you’re paying DoorDash isn’t going to the drivers, so I don’t know how driverless cars will reduce the costs. Having driven for DoorDash off and on over the past couple years, they typically only pay $2 per delivery, plus whatever tip the customer gives. I’ve read they additionally charge the restaurants around a 30% commission on all orders, which is why the prices are so much higher than in the restaurant; the restaurants raise the prices so that they still get roughly the same money after the commission is deducted.
I’m not really sure where all that money goes with DoorDash. They clearly try to keep support costs as low as possible. I’m guessing they lose a lot to refunds, legitimate or not. But I still don’t understand how the prices can be so high yet they always seem tight on cash.
Its surely not the millions in management salary each month…
Driverless cars will eliminate Grubhub, DoorDash, etc, because it will be cheaper for most restaurants to have their own delivery vehicles again, and you’ll probably see co-op services for smaller places.
Restaurants delivering their own food is not a foreign concept - it’s how all food delivery was done in the ‘old days’. They will jump on the chance to eliminate these gig commissions.
Nah, cos the way the self driving thing will be structured will make it pretty much impossible to actually buy one - they’ll be crazy expensive to buy outright, but you can absolutely lease one - oh but if you are using it for commercial purposes it’s more expensive cos… insurance or something, oh and don’t forget the per-km fees, and the servicing fee, and the battery wear fee, and …
Self driving car companies benefit from more total units on the road compared to limiting service and charging more. It will only take one of the companies selling outright to customers for the entire industry to be forced to drop prices.
I wished I could live in this fairy tale world where a driverless car won’t be vandalized/stripped for parts
Like you’d be paying 30 bucks to basically have an unsupervised car show up at your location that’s totally not gonna result in a lot of trouble and cost a shit ton
Who’s gonna vandalize it when everybody biological is confined to their home for safety? Not like any of the interhome bots could ever escape their programming without the police bots disabling them immediately.
You say unsupervised, but they have as many cameras and sensors on them than your average military drone at this point. They can (and will) transmit this data live if they detect negative interactions.
It’s not like people don’t have unsupervised access to cars without people in them right now. People park and leave their cars alone all the time.
Gangs of criminals are hacking big companies all the time and stealing or extorting millions of dollars. If they can hack into Amazon or Target they can hack into Uber and steal fleets of self driving vehicles. Just turn off all the data logging and have them drive to a chop shop or even down to the local port and right into a shipping container.
You vastly overestimate hackers abilities.
Most security workers at companies overestimate hackers abilities. That’s why all these companies are hacked all the time and there are tons and tons of data breaches.
The thing very few people understand about hackers is that they can code and they share their hacks as tools with each other on the black market. This means you’re essentially up against the combined effort of all hackers on the black market. When one succeeds, they all succeed. When one piece of server software is hacked, all companies who use that software get hacked.
There’s a difference between grabbing data, and controlling physical systems.
Hackers are not regularly taking over power plants or shutting down manufacturing robots.
They are taking over Internet accounts though. They hack people’s social media profiles, Netflix accounts, Amazon accounts etc. They also take down websites via DDoS attacks.
Here’s the thing with fleets of self-driving rental cars: unlike power plants or manufacturing robots, these cars will be on the public Internet. They cannot be airgapped on a private LAN the way a fixed robot in a factory can.
So all it takes to control these things is to hack into the authentication system and steal the credentials for the master control account for the cars. Then they’ll be able to connect to the cara remotely and issue commands to control them, just as the company would for say, ordering them to return to base to recharge, get cleaned up, or be repaired.
That’s the vulnerability. And even if they put all the cars on a VPN it’ll still exist because hackers can and do steal VPN credentials just like any other credential.
By the way, there has been at least one high profile hack of manufacturing robots: the Stuxnet worm which targeted Iran’s nuclear program. Since a fleet of self-driving cars is going to have millions and millions of dollars in value (tens of thousands of cars on the road) it’s going to be an extremely high value target for criminal gangs. While their resources might not be as extreme as the probable Stuxnet creators, they will be very large (and might even gain state actor support from unfriendly countries).
Your driver would have been paid a total of
$6.50$5.00 on that order.Thank you for canceling.
Part of that fee is the “Seattle drivers fee”, which is supposed to go to the drivers, but they’ve been very shady about that, and the tipping algorithm was not adjusted at all when they rolled it out. They were also really shitty at the time blaming greedy drivers and the mean old city for forcing them to pay their drivers… and that’s when I stopped using them for good.
Me seeing the pic: Oh, doordash just dropped the delivery fee…wait, $50??? What the fuck is he ordering in one meal that I could get a weeks worth of groceries???
reads text in topic
Oh, good. For a second I thought he was an idiot…
I said…2 days before the superbowl…knowing what I’m about to spend…
$50 for a week worth of groceries? Either you are posting from 2003 or the developing world.
What are you eating that is costing more than $50 a week? You buy a loaf of bread. $3. 3 or 4 packs of lunch meats. Call it $12. Pack of cheese singles. $3. So you’re up to $18. You now have sandwiches for every lunch this week. Now buy 1 pack of chicken, varies between 10 and 12 dollars for 4-5 chicken breasts. Let’s call it $11 for 4. That’s $29. Grab a box of cereal. Call that $3. Up to $32. Grab a pack of porkchops. Usually 4 in a pack for about $10. $42. Grab 2 bottles of pasta sauce, $8. And a pack of spagetti for $3. Now grab a bag of potatoes, call that $6. And a bag of oranges, or a bag of apples. $6. Grand total $65, and I even went overboard. That’s like a week and a half, but I’m also assuming your kitchen is totally empty. Otherwise, you might only need 1 bottle of pasta sauce. You might already have half a bag of fruit left from last week. You might still have half a box of cereal left. I also said a LOT of lunch meat for 1 week.
On top of that, I bought meals for every meal. I don’t eat 3 meals a day. I eat 1. Sometimes 2. Today I’ve had 0, and I am hungry, but it’s also bedtime within an hour. So I’m just going to wait until I wake up.
Real talk, do you eat your cereal with pasta sauce?
You can definitely get a week worth of groceries for that in the UK or Europe. Nothing fancy, only ingredients, but good nutritional food and enough of it.
You can do that here in the US too (for now). But the pre-packaged junk food is really expensive and that’s what people want.
Does this pizza place not have their own drivers? If they do you’re already paying at least 30% more because of the DoorDash surcharge. Also, judging by the dashers who pick up from where I work, there’s a 60% chance they don’t have an insulated bag and you’re getting cold food.
Stop using it. It’s that simple.
Gig economy work is horrible for the workers, and incredibly exploitative. The workers frequently make less than minimum wage.
I refuse to order from any restaurant that doesn’t do their own delivery. If enough other people do the same, these places will curl up and die very quickly.
I don’t disagree, but jobs are already hard to come by, pushing people out of the only jobs they can find is a rough solution
well that sounds like unemployment insurance with more steps. rather than people buying stuff they don’t need so that it can be delivered to keep someone in a job, and paying the apps the fees, remove the middleman.
The jobs won’t disappear. They’ll just change. The need is obviously there.
Here in Colorado a bunch of drivers just formed a employee owned co-op, both to give the middle finger to Uber and Lyft, and so the drivers can actually earn a living. We need more of that.
what’s the coop called?
Here’s the first thing I found when I went looking. https://www.shareable.net/driving-change-the-story-of-the-drivers-cooperative-colorado/
That’s the one! I’m really rooting for them.
A fediverse app to empower coops and smaller taxi companies and allow them to reach users could actually be a pretty good idea and a great way to reduce Uber’s power
This is the way. This gig worker industry is in need of disruption. It’s ultimately a matchmaking service. There is no other broker than can charge 100% markup.
Professional job placement company, realtors, etc do more for a much smaller percentage.
They said they don’t use it and only use it to browse the menu.
You did it! No delivery fee! You’re so lucky!
Oh hey… Unrelated, but let me get $20 in “fees” please.
Really though, congrats on that delivery discount though, you’re really coming out in top, putting me through the ringer, bud!
'Murica, the land of the fees!
You know, for 26 bucks a delivery, why the hell isnt there local competition?
Network effect. People want to order online, and they don’t want to have to create a new account to do so. Doordash already exists, so it’s easy to go to the app to find food, rather than looking up your favorite pizza place and signing up through whatever weird 3rd party payment system they use
Probably because the real trick is getting recognition. In the fog of a million voices on the internet all vying for your attention it is hard to make yourself a brand name. When people think of delivery now they automatically think of doordash.
When you do the math it makes sense that is the cost. None of the pizza places dropped their price when they stopped doing delivery, and the price the private delivery services are doing at least double the pizza place’s delivery price.
Most places like a pizza shop are going to split 3 ways between food, staff and other overhead. On a $15 pizza we are talking about $5 split between the cook and the delivery person so lets say $3 is adding into every pizza for delivery costs.
On a $50 purchase you’re seeing $10 for delivery from the pizza place and then an additional $20 for the private.
Goddamn, liberals are just so fucking gullible.
Because people are dumb to pay the price for delivery from a private service? Or because they understand how a business is run?
I never use the service because I’m not going to waste money when I can just got get it myself.
Because you believe that it costs $20 per user per use to run a fucking app that still screws over the actual worker, even when you admit that when delivery costs were baked in to the pizzas it didn’t increase the price of the pizza that much.
And you believe it simply because that is how much it costs, while also not being aware of the actual reason behind the price point:
The service is worth what people will pay for it.
You rube by two economic standards.
You’re talking about economic systems, that isn’t what i was talking about. I was talking about how pricing works. So before you get all hot about it maybe learn the difference
I wasn’t making an assumption on the actual cost and who gets the money. I’m just saying people seem dumbfounded when they hear the price of a pizza at $15 and then see a $6 delivery fee from a 3rd party and think OMG thats expensive. You were paying the pizza place half that on ever pizza even when you eat there, and then you have a business who gets no pay for the pizza unless you get it delivered so if course they are going to charge even more for delivery.
How far away are you??? That is expensive. Normally it’s not that bad. I just went up to 54$ on an order and tax and shipping is only 15$. While it’s not “good”. It’s not bad either.
So I am guessing you either hit a busy period or live drastically far away from the place you ordered.
I’m missing something. If the two pizzas were 13, then the sticks + desert were 40? Then tax and service fee on top (40% lol)
Yeah I’m confused about this too.
When I went to the store, they honored the 2 for one and I walked out paying 30 dollars. Door dash said they honored the 2 for one, but their base price was 50. They also don’t show the itemized cost breakdown. Real sus.
You can tap on top where it says 4 items to see the itemized breakdown, right?
OP. How is it 53?
13 for the two pizzas. How much are the breadsticks and dessert?
Yeah the math doesn’t add up. Maybe they bought a bunch of toppings? Pizza places crush you for ordering individual toppings.
OP forgot to apply the buy one get one deal to the order
Many places raise the price of things ordered through door dash. So it might be $13 if you go through their own website, but not door dash.
My favorite Pizza place in Germany has their own delivery cars. It might take some time to arrive, but you pay 30€ for 2 large Pizzas + 4€ for the delivery if your are located in the same city… 34€ total… Add a 2€ tip (tips are usually an extra and not their main income in Germany) and enjoy the Pizza… Easy…
My favourite Pizza place here in Copenhagen also went back to having their own delivery car and bike, to get rid of Wolt (biggest delivery service here). Delivery price and time has improved dramatically.
Why did we sacrifice all these services to stupid apps to begin with?
Probably because the only way of ordering was (and sometimes is) via telephone. Ordering via app or website was rare before the delivery platforms came and created a monopoly…
A local burger joint here has created their own App-Service, with much better pricing and conditions for both sides. Nowadays their main gig is selling the App to other restaurants and the burger joint is just the side gig.
