cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25133597
Come one come all to the Lemmy-verse! It’s nice and cozy here, we do have some “bad parts of town” but you can do an instance block and not deal with them lol
For your memes we have !memes@lemmy.world if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like !science@mander.xyz and !biology@mander.xyz and for a meme science combo theres always the fantastic !science_memes@mander.xyz
You can also drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or hang out at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)
There’s much more around as well!
Obligatory, fuck Spez
Remember, it’s not authoritarian or bootlicking if it’s Israel or the US
ah yes, thats right! there are only two sides, western fascism, or eastern.
That is indeed the .world attitude.
idk if i was too subtle but i was being sarcastic, its possible to live without relience on authoritarian fascist regimes.
i guess a leninist who dismantles and reforms Hegels words for statist purposes wouldnt understand that.
edit: instead of being sarcastic again, perhaps i could give you some recommendations in theory? seems you need it to understand that a human craves and needs freedoms from its state.
idk if i was too subtle but i was being sarcastic, its possible to live without relience on authoritarian fascist regimes.
Yeah, unless they’re Western or western allied of course, at least according to .world
i guess a leninist who dismantles and reforms Hegels words for statist purposes wouldnt understand that.
uh-huh.
instead of being sarcastic again, perhaps i could give you some recommendations in theory? seems you need it to understand that a human craves and needs freedoms from its state.
No, I’m good. Maybe you should share your theory with the statists on .world.
There’s only two sides: fascism vs humanity.
No need for phony racist divisions.
Great meme, and not a bad recommendation, but I find personal blocks to be a great tool myself. After spending a month blocking the most extreme people over there as they popped up in my feed, the remaining memes and commenters are quite nice.
Finally, someone who takes control over their own lemmy experience. Much more effective then being weird posting cringe feudposts about other instances and begging admins to block us for them.
More power to ya, peace
That’s what I love about lemmy. A little curating of your feed and dropping the occasional abhorrent ‘human’ into the blocklist makes this a pretty nice place.
No mention of dbzer0. com anywhere in the meme or text? To any newcomers, if you wouldn’t download a car then you don’t need to know about that instance.
It must be the chunk of land they’re sitting on. Just can’t see it because the full text can’t be read in its entirety from that close up.
If someone’s identity is based on hating tankies, then they’re mostly likely right-wing (aka liberal).
I don’t like tankies either but they’re just more right-wingers to me. Just the alt-imperial version of liberals. That’s why libs get so mad.
If tankies are right wing, liberals are right wing, not to mention those who are actually right-wing outside of your head-canon, who is not right-wing?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof
Imma be honest, I don’t think .ml belongs on there. Their users can be pretty cool.
.ml is a cesspool
I mean you say that, but it’s not like every community on .ml is focused on politics man. Their largest communities are mostly about tech. And they have a pretty cool, albeit somewhat inactive datahoarders community, of whom I think some are helping with redundant archival of datasets being erased by Trump’s administration.
Edit Addendum: For anyone who has the storage space, I would consider helping out with the effort.
Block it then
Lol I made the original meme and text, I kinda just brain dumped the instances from the top of my head, the hope was others would chime in with their fav instances/comms and add to the list
Happy to report that Zip has been quite enjoyable.
Incivility is only when you call out liberal hypocrisy and .world, otherwise it’s sparkling marketplace of ideas.
Everyone knows those rules don’t apply when youre dunking on the instances with opinions outside of the US state department’s approved overton window.
Ah yes, wise words UnderpantsWeevil, .worlds very own resident tankie
Oh hey this looks familiar LMAO
Before the tankies come in here
Their calls of unity and accusations of division are false, they’re Authoritarian “leftists” who deny anything bad of the CCP, Russia and NK from human rights violations to genocides and any evidence of said acts is nothing but “CIA/Western propaganda”
Tankies are not socialists, they’re not communists, they’re authoritarians, full stop.
Communism is a flavor of authoritarianism. You can’t tell me that the USSR valued freedom.
Only in the ways it’s been implemented at the state level so far. Which, admittedly, may be the only way it can.
You’re a Right-wing nut job, your opinion afaic, is worth even less than the tankies. And that should tell you a lot, but I know it won’t.
It’s lemmy, I honestly don’t really care what some random guy calls me.
Oh no he’s not calling you a rightwing nutjob so you know, its so the rest of us can casually ignore you. Your feelings on this matter are inconsequential.
What’s it like having even /c/conservative think you’re a right-wing nutjob? Do you think the entire world is a leftist conspiracy out to get you, personally?
Most conservative is just random Lemmy users finding it.
And no. Lemmy is a itty bitty part of the world. Why would I think it’s a world-wide leftist conspiracy?
And no. Lemmy is a itty bitty part of the world. Why would I think it’s a world-wide leftist conspiracy?
Oh when you said “No wonder the left is upset, their propaganda department is being shut down.” over USAID being ransacked by fascists, I just assumed you thought the entire world was a leftist conspiracy.
Nah, that stuff is the Dictatorship Of The Proletariat, which is a supposed way to Communism, rather than Communism itself, and as the “dictatorship” in the name indicates, it’s an authoritarian regime.
The valid criticism of Communism is not that it’s authoritarian is that in over a century all countries who tried to get there took the authoritarian path and not a single one ever left that stage and reached Communism - in other words, Communism seems to be a unachieveable ideal.
USSR (and China, too) didn’t even have communism. It had socialism and strived for the communist world in the future.
Stalinists et co are not the totality of communist thought, despite how much as they tried to portray themselves as such.
Okay, what about Mao?
Mao is a Maoist, and the CCP claim to be ‘the sole heir and successor to Joseph Stalin concerning the correct interpretation of Marxism–Leninism and the ideological leader of world communism,’ and I think (hope?) we can agree that Stalinism is not communism.
Okay, what about Pol Pot?
Okay, what about …
Look, I know you’re in your young 20’s, almost definitely white, definitely a man, and I was once each of those things, too.
You’ve gone down the Right-wing pipeline, you’ve nodded along, you’ve downed the kool-aid. From the sounds of it a light sprinkling of an extremely flawed, right-wing education system.
You are not experiencing your own thoughts. You’re regurgitating arguments you’ve heard online; over and over again, you say the same things, respond in the same way, make the same mistakes. You hamfistedly wave at anyone who ever called themselves socialist and go ‘see! look at these mistakes! They’re all the same!’ When in reality:
Although the emergence of the Soviet Union as the world’s first nominally socialist state led to widespread association of socialism with the Soviet economic model, it has since shifted in favour of democratic socialism. Academics recognised the mixed economies of several Western European and Nordic countries as “democratic socialist”.[34][35] Following the revolutions of 1989, many of these countries moved away from socialism as a neoliberal consensus replaced the social democratic consensus in the advanced capitalist world.[36] In parallel, many former socialist politicians and political parties embraced “Third Way” politics, remaining committed to equality and welfare while abandoning public ownership and class-based politics.[37] Socialism experienced a resurgence in popularity in the 2010s.
Let’s look at Pol Pot, to go back to your whataboutism:
Ideologically a Maoist and a Khmer ethnonationalist…
Seriously, it’s on his goddamn wikipedia page, dude. This, what you’re doing here? It’s embarrassing. You think you’re standing up to those meany evil ‘left-wingers’ when in reality you’re a Toy Poodle for fascism, yapping at what you’re told to, always waiting for another head pat from your online friends that never quite comes, never quite seems to make you feel like you feel it should.
Conservative parties began because aristocrats felt they had lost too much power, and wanted into the parliamentary system. It’s oligarchs now. Is that really who has your best interest? Do you think Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk or Trump care about you? That they will ever do something for you, at the expense of themselves?
Because over on the socialist side we’re at the protests, we’re at the strikes, we’re demanding change, we’re helping the poor, we’re punching up at authority. You’re ideologically marching alongside cops, brown shirts, Nazi’s, and you what, think they’ll spare you? At best you’re meat for the grinder when the fighting starts.
Look into all of this. Really dive into what Conservatism is, why it was created, how it’s been opposed to every advancement in society that you enjoy: shorter work weeks, shorter work days, actual safety for workers, workers compensation, paternity leave, health care, freedom to strike, etc. All of those are socialist-won, often through literal bloodshed.
What have wealthy billionaires done to make your life better? Why do you think they’re so invested in keeping you angry at visible minorities, women, ‘the left’, the 2% of the planet who are transgendered, the 2SLGBTQIA+ community? Why is it your enemies are all exactly strong enough to scare you, yet so weak you can insult them for it? Why do you have to punch down to hit these terrifying enemies of whatever it is you hold dear?
I’m going to read all that later, but for the record, I’m a white man in my mid 30s.
Okay bro wtf is that wall of text. They’re all communist, full stop. Trying to label them something else doesn’t change the fact that communism is a political system for psychopaths
Mao only split from the Sovs because the Sovs became slightly less Stalinist under Khrushchev.
Denying propaganda the CIA is selling you about China is not the same thing as denying everything the CCP has ever done wrong. Especially when even the CIA has backtracked their claims, and you religiously stick to it.
To add on to that (cross-posted):
It defaults to “Active” view, which is the least updated. You can set your posts to “Hot” and then switch between “Top 6 Hours," “New” and “Top 12 Hours” to get the most of your experience here. It will seem dead with the default.
cm0002 is a total sad act. Obsessed
And FYI, you can correct your post’s Title after submitting if you make a mistake, unlike the old place!
EDIT: Also, to search for a community by keyword, visit https://feddit.org/search
The tankie triad
making a bunch of forums seem so dark and mysterious
have you considered that some of us are just silly goofy girls
Hai im a silly girl
It’s way more fun to pretend hexbear and .ml are super dark and scary than to admit what they mostly actually are: leftist memes and shit posting.
Notice Beehaw’s not on the “good” list anymore? Wonder why they’re not on there…
There is nothing left about promoting anarchy for your enemies and authoritarianism for your allies.
Hexbear does nothing but sit around all day sucking Xi Jinpings cock and praising Trump, and ML is just that but slightly watered down.
Notice Beehaw’s not on the “good” list anymore? Wonder why they’re not on there…
As far as I understood at the time, Beehaw cut themselves off from just about everyone else in the fediverse. If they want to make that choice I respect their position but its sending the message they’re not interested in interacting with most others. If someone tells you to go away and they don’t want to talk to you, I’m not going to chase them and try and change their mind. I’m going to let them go do whatever they want to do and I’ll do my own thing with most everyone else.
I think Beehaw isn’t on the good list here because the account that shared the meme is on Lemmy World which isn’t federated with Beehaw.
So it’s a lack of knowledge of the users that left it off not any nefarious intent.
But that’s my 2 cents.
I thought Beehaw defederated from everyone else during the first mass reddit migration in 2023. It’s not surprising not a lot of people know about them.
I still get Beehaw posts on my instance too. They’re nice people.
Ya know what, I just looked at their instance page for the first time and their community rules show that they appear to have their head on straight and are setting good policy. I’ll have to try to get an account there and see what I’ve been missing.
They really are a community of nice people trying to protect their peace, as far as I’ve seen. They just defederated from instances with open registration due to influx of trolls, and a lot of users from those groups got offended over it. It was minor drama, but nothing offensive. It’s a bit sad that they’re still being vilified over it.
Got my account and started reading and posting today, and you’re right, they are nice people. I had somehow mixed up Beehaw and Hexbear in my head. Big mistake.
I may end up moving over there as primary just because I’m so tired of the trolls myself.
Not us 🫶 I enjoy the Beehaw communities I subscribe to
This is why I’m glad I’m on lemme.ee, and I have the option to choose for myself as they don’t really defederate any of the main instances.
As far as it goes, I’m just here for good memes and good conversation. Anytime someone goes into tankie territory, I just go to another thread. Live and let live, even if I disagree (until someone verges into nazi territory).
Beehaw is like the Elks Lodge of the Lemmyverse. From the outside they look exclusive, mysterious, and enticing. Inside, there’s just a few drunk guys singing karaoke.
At least that’s my assumption. They wouldn’t let me in because I refused to write a paragraph about why I wanted to join an instance that I knew virtually nothing about. Even the Elks Lodge wasn’t that picky.
They still federate with some instances. They’re just like everyone else, but have strict rules about not being a jerk.
I knew of Beehaw, but they got left off mostly because last I heard they were extremely selective on who they federated with.
My personal opinion of Beehaw is, I have none unlike The Tankie Triad where i’ve experienced and seen the games they play. Then again, I think BH does fed with them, so if they’re so selective to do that…
It’s way more fun to pretend hexbear and .ml are super dark and scary than to admit what they mostly actually are: leftist memes and shit posting.
“Ha ha, we’re just having a little bit of fun denying the Uyghur genocide, praising North Korea, and saying Ukrainians deserve to be massacred 😊”
And yet, on other Lemmy instances like world, people will fight to the bitter end defending Joe Biden’s policy of enabling Israel. And if you dare suggest Kamala Harris was also going to keep supporting Israel, you’ll be crucified lmao.
I guess genocide is okay if it’s backed by a Western power (but only if a democrat is in charge).
I personally have seen nobody defending Biden’s enabling of Israel, I have seen a bunch of people choosing the lesser of two evils and getting chastised over it as if there was a magical third option (abstaining just enables trump stfu)
Yeah he’s full of it. Or maybe by “people” he means like, two people. lol
Nah, fuck Biden’s and Harris’s handling of the situation. It was a disaster and needs to be called what it is.
But I think what you are suggesting is a disingenuous interpretation of what most people were saying during the US election. No one was suggesting that Biden/Harris were good for Palestine. Only that Trump would be much, much worse. And I feel like the events of the past few weeks have validated that fear, however horrifying that is to type out.
You’re not looking forward to a beachfront vacation, sleeping over the skeletons of dead little kids that we all helped pay to murder? What’s wrong with you?
Ah yes. Feel smug about your moral victory of refusing to vote for Harris while Trump glasses Gaza and throws people into concentration camps at home.
I hate what has been and is happening to the Palestinians. But as a member of a targeted group I do not have any energy left to try any help them while trying to get myself and my friends to safty. As I tried to tell idiots would happen.
Also, Harris could have been swayed by public opinion. Trump cannot.
If Harris was gonna be swayed by public opinion, it would have happened after the massive protest vote in Michigan. It didn’t. It could have happened after polling showed how incredibly unpopular her Gaza policy was with her party base. It didn’t. And it didn’t change when she actually needed votes, it’s safe to say it never would have changed.
If Harris has been elected, a huge number of Democrats would be more than happy to sweep current events in Gaza under the rug, because now our person is in charge, and they can do no wrong.
Stop with your moral grandstanding. Harm reduction is a thing. Both are bad options, but even assuming she wouldn’t have been swayed things would still have been better than they are now. You can do your protest vote in the primary if you want, but those short-sighted actions in the general is how fascism has won.
Regardless, it really just feels like you decided to fuck over minority groups in the US while also making things worse for the Palestinians. Trump is gearing up to start WW3 and the only reason I think they aren’t going to nuke Gaza is because they want the land. Not that conventional weapons can’t do the same amount of damage.
Meanwhile, you throw women, immigrants, and trans people under the bus because you wanted to feel smug about something. Between wondering if I will be able to maintain rights, or even life, in the next 4 years on top of them literally tearing the government apart and doing damage that will take decades to fix, if it even can be fixed, I don’t see things getting back to even how they were a year ago in my lifetime, even if I manage to get to an old age.
I can only do what I can, and I can’t fight for people in another country when I’m worried about what is happening domestically. My focus has to be making sure my friends and I are safe. I am exhausted and have no energy left to spare for the Palestinians.
I hate that I have to make that decision, but people like you forced it on me. We told all of you this would happen, and you did not care. I can’t help Palestinians if I get arrested for existing or just murdered in the street.
They want to classify all trans people as porn, just for existing in public, and then execute “pornographers”, which will largely just be queer people they just arbitrarily classified as porn. It’s literally what the Nazis did.
So I really have no sympathy left. Honestly, I’m pretty sure much of the people who refused to vote over Gaza likely just fell for a right wing campaign to split the left. If so, it worked and you fell for it. The people who aren’t Trump supporters and didn’t vote for Harris are short sighted fucking idiots.
I have no more energy to coddle people like you and if me calling you out for stupidity for letting fascism win “pushes” you to the far right, then you never actually had any principals.
have you considered that some of us are just silly goofy girls
Who play apologist for genocide and fascism.
I will never understand how you would defend an instance that is not only deep in genocide denial and praise of authoritarian regimes.
But also one whose head admin (and main Lemmy dev unfortunately) is a transphobe
Transphobia is only unacceptable when it’s SHITLIBS who can be accused of it.
I am transfixed by their new obsession with women’s sports.
Remember when the WNBA was a punchline on Futurama? Where were these assholes then?
Those assholes don’t like women’s sports, they only use it as a stick to hurt those who are different from them.
First time reading the original statement, and this actually makes me less concerned. It isn’t secret knowledge that the capital has worked hard to reframe being left from wanting anti capitalist economic policies to mostly social issues without consequence such as inclusive language and skin color quotas. None of that addresses the real problem that is the capitalist system driving us all into servitude and the planet towards collapse.
This is also why the left is generally not considered attractive to the average voter. They don’t care about any of that social crap, they care about their own situation and how to improve that. And while inclusivity is important and a just cause it is entirely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and not a valid agenda to run a political movement on.
The lives of every marginalized group of people will improve a hundred times more by toppling the system that keeps us all oppressed and unhappy, than by having the government use their preferred pronouns when letting them know they have to make do with less, again.
Just say you’re fine with bigotry as long as white dudes benefit in the way you want, it’s a lot faster and more intellectually honest.
Just say you’re fine with capitalism as long as lgbtq people are addressed in the way you want, it’s a lot faster and more intellectually honest.
hey i just wanted to destroy capitalism 🥺 👉👈
Yea who cares about those little human rights violations and genocides the CCP does along the way, just sweep those under the rug!
Imagine believing that CCP is a good representative of destroying capitalism. Typical lib. smh.
Tankies say that shit but they don’t mean it. They could easily support and promote socialism in Western Nations but they don’t, instead the promote people like Donald Trump and try to convince people to resort to violence to tear it all down.
To them, real socialism is the enemy. “Communism” just means Eastern Power and “Capitalism” just means Western Power, it’s political tribalism at its core.
that is actually the reason I chose lemmy.ml direct support from the developers is cool
Same as a fellow code enthusiast, the dev instance seemed like a good choice. But no, do not pass go, straight to tankie jail apparently.
Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the tankie triad?
Looks at the Lemmy devs
They deny genocide and are transphobic
.me laughs
Lemmy.ml is the original instance and the dev instance. I joined it because there was literally no alternative at the time. It’s pretty annoying being called a tankie left and right because of this
wHY DoN’t yOu chAnGe InSTanCe?
I did twice. Just let go of the past. Embrace the future.
It’s not about past or future, it’s about contributing to the instance that tests new releases first and helping the people that provide an alternative to mainstream centralized media
It’s also because the devs are communists. Let’s not skip that part lol
Communist is not the same as tankie. Lemmy probably wouldn’t exist if the devs weren’t communist
If your definition of communism is China and your definition of Capitalism is Western Power, then you’re a fucking Tankie, as 98% of self identifying communists on Lemmy are.
I mean, they’re only not the same because “tankie” is so broadly defined that it also includes anarchists and non-western liberals.
I have to ask, are shitlibs aware that Wikipedia isn’t divine gospel, and that there are other works in the history of humanity? Because it seems to inevitably be their one and only go to, which is particularly embarrassing given that even a middle school teacher could tell you that it’s not a good source. Even worse, it doesn’t’ even back up your claim!
I get more and more liberal every time I see some self-described leftist call people a shitlib because they’re slightly right of Pol Pit or whatever.
Yes it does. Wikipedia is a fairly neutral source. Middle school teachers will tell you that tertiary sources are a good way to start your research when you apparently have no idea what you’re talking about.
The f-slur is defined as referring to gay men, but people also use it to insult straight men by suggesting that they’re gay. In the same way, “tankie” may be defined as a particular type of communist, but it is deployed against people who don’t fit the definition to imply that they do.
This is how basically all insults work, don’t play dumb. The definition is something assumed to be bad, and the way it’s used is to suggest the person meets that definition.
“tankie” is so broadly defined that it also includes anarchists and non-western liberals.
I’m referring to what they said, not some other insult.
All Tankies are Anarchists as long as that Anarchy is in a Western World Power.
They sensor criticism of the CCP
No they don’t, reasonable criticism of the CPC is fine, they just ban jinogistic “China bad! Tinyman square! Winnie the pooh!” nonsense.
Those are pretty tame criticisms of the CCP to ban, it sounds like you just made that user’s argument for them.
Yeah, that’s pretty unfair. You shouldn’t have to put up with this; and it definitely is not your fault, or the fault of the instance. This “tankie instance” thing is bullshit.
Same, looks like we are shady now.
everyone keeps telling me my instance is full of tankies but im not seeing it. when i made my account this was the only instance.
also, why the fuck would we want more redditors here?
I think there’s an instance on .ml that has everyone in a tizzy. I myself haven’t had any issue with .ml specifically. Lot of ‘mens rights’ bigots from .ee though, not sure why that is.
Methinks there might be a culture war/defederation covert campaign being done by more right or even just regular liberal users.
That or I’m being paranoid.
“An instance on .ml” you mean a community? Or you mean another domain name using the .ml top level domain? If it’s the latter, you probably mean lemmygrad.ml. If it’s the former, there are already quite a few communities on there which have a lot of subscribers and often appear in the “all” feed. Normally those are fine. But every now and then you’ll see some tankie comment and like 99% of the time it’s some user from that instance.
To be honest, I don’t pay a lot of attention other than to notice the ‘.ml’ and the vast majority of the time, I don’t notice any specific tanki-ness to people from there.
.ee on the other hand has been… (checks) yeah, all but one of my blocks in the last month.
also, why the fuck would we want more redditors here
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
It’s pretty insane that choosing the default instance is seen as being indicative of your politics
“Brother!”
Again, nobody’s talking about the porn instance.
But we all know about it
No we don’t; link, please.
Hot
I posted my boobs & some people were friendly to me. It’s nice here! Surprisingly wholesome.
We know everyone immediately followed the profile to see the boobs, don’t we?
(They are nice btw)
woow, you’re gorgeous… I DMd you
If you want nothing farther left than drumpf memes, and also like being a little bit bigoted towards Muslims, then Lemmy.world is gonna be a nice cozy home for you.
Hai! I’m new here, are all of these comments that I can’t see from .world users? I assume .ml is defederated from .world?
No, we’re still federated with them. I’m not sure which comments you can’t see. I’ve personally blocked a few of the most insufferable users for my blood pressures sake. You will see weekly (or more frequent) posts like this on .world where they complain about leftist instances and the comments are full of exhortations to block or defederate from lemmygrad, .ml and hexbear.
Yea, i created an account over on hexbear and then this one on lemmy.ml as my alt as a more federated instance
For example, this comment, i can only see one of the replies from the lemy.lol user.
Looking in to it deeper it seems like my assumption of lemmy.world being defederated is incorrect.
The 1st and 2nd screenshots are from lemmy.ml, and the 3rd is from lemm.ee.
From the Voyager app, showing replies but I can’t expand the replies.
From lemmy.ml directly in a browser.
From lemm.ee directly in a browser.
I see calling people “tankies” is the “woke” of the Fediverse.
Nah, they’re authoritarian genocide deniers.
The opposite of woke.
No, I mean it’s the new / local meme word to shut off conversation. And apparently used pretty much the same way right-wingers use it.
Ah! Yeah, that’s true
What? Those are the three instant where I see the least denial of the US and Israels genocide, and the least bootlicking of western authoritarianism.
The USA, Israel, Russia, and China all support genocide.
Now you say it.
Ok senator McCarthy, not sure what that has to do with what I said. While you’re here, will you also condemn Ukraine’s Donbas genocide?
The opposite of western bootlicking is not Russian bootlicking.
The irony of this is that not being a western bootlicker does automatically make you a Russian bootlicker, according to the people complaining about the “tankie triad”.
Wow, practically in the same breath as asking me to believe Putin’s “de-nazification”.
Oh, so turns out you can deny genocides then? Oh right, only if it’s not the west making the accusation.
So you think you really want to argue Putin’s illegal invasion of Ukraine, all the warcrimes Russians are pulling, and you’re gonna defend that by saying Russians are the heroically invading Ukraine to save Ukraine?
Guess you haven’t yet understood the essence of Russian propaganda; deny and obfuscate, never actually answer anything.
Anyone actually engaging with any Russian propaganda knows it breaks down at the slightest touch.
I don’t want to take up the whole page with this, so I’ll just list the sub-headers;
Prohibited weapons, Abduction and deportation, Attacks on civilians, Unlawful wanton destruction or appropriation of property, Attacks on hospitals and medical facilities, Destruction of energy infrastructure, Destruction and theft of cultural heritage, Torture of civilians, Use of human shields, Sexual violence, Looting, Forced conscription, Mistreatment of prisoners of war, Genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
We all know Ukraine is the good side. They may have some baddies on their side (one battalion of crazy fucks), but Russia has way more companies filled with rapists, thieves, murderers taken out of prisons and shipped to the front.
Kindly fuck of to the front lines to feed the drones so we don’t need to hear from you anymore.
It’s 2025, everyone is both doing genocide and is denying genocide all of the time. Unfortunately that word no longer has any meaning.
It does have a definition though and there is still power in that.
Yes everyone is aware of this power so are using the word as a propaganda tool to further their causes. And everyone is aware that the word is being used as a propaganda tool.
The scary part is that by watering down the meaning of the word, it’s made actual genocide more likely. If everyone is constantly being accused of genocide all of the time then no one will know when an actual genocide is happening.
If everyone is constantly being accused of genocide all of the time then no one will know when an actual genocide is happening.
If you can do something as simple as compare numbers (a skill taught in elementary school), you can know when genocide is happening, regardless of what other people around you try to weasel about what they believe the term to be.
The only person watering down the word here is you?
There’s a shit ton of far-right and Sinophobic people on .world. They can’t abide anything that isn’t in line with whatever the CIA is saying.
Yeah I’m a bit lost on why someone’s instance automatically = their entire identity. Wouldn’t that means 1) technically we are all tankies on a tankie platform and 2) I need to start learning Finnish?
Lemmy.ml admins remove content critical of the CCP, and similar things. The admins of most other instances don’t do that shit.
Grad is much the same, while Hexbear is just 4chan for Stalinists.
No I know, but I’m not interacting with the admins of .ml, and I haven’t really seen anything from the average .ml user that isn’t your run of the mill leftist talking points I see all over Lemmy. They’re not censoring or banning me from posting Winnie the Pooh, you know? Your experience may be different.
I have no idea what grad and hexbear are, I’ve never seen those instances and I’m assuming my admin already defederated from them. They’re pretty reasonable in that regard.
Maybe I should learn Finnish in their honour…
They’re not censoring or banning me from posting Winnie the Pooh, you know? Your experience may be different.
I mean, unless you frequent .ml communities, they can’t censor or ban you.
That’s the thing though. Those .ml communities end up quietly curated to curb any criticism of the admins’ favorite authoritarians. Highlighting this fact is necessary, and participating in .ml communities is undesirable at best; those who still wish to do so should at least be informed as to what goes on.
Oh I see what you’re saying. I agree about the communities, but I was speaking more about the users from .ml getting blasted in communities outside .ml simply because they are from that instance (like in this thread).
If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they’re from .ml? They’re not in the censored community, we’re not in the censored community, who cares what the .ml admin are doing?
If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they’re from .ml?
Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization. Not only that, but when grad and Hexbear were defederated by many instances, many users on Grad and Hexbear created accounts on .ml for the explicit purpose of continuing the authoritarian apologia they so enjoyed in the exact places that told them they weren’t welcomed. At some point, pattern recognition sets in, and it’s not inherently wrong for it to do so.
I don’t think every .ml user is an authoritarian. But if I see someone making authoritarian apologia, I’d say a good 4/5s of the time, it’s someone from .ml.
Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization.
Sure, but only if they’re solely in those echo chambers, which if they’re posting in .world, they clearly aren’t. And any ones who do are told off because of the content of their posts, not their home servers.
I see quite a few inflammatory posters from .world and .ee (especially of the American exceptionalism, anti-Palestine, and more recently anti-Canadian (🤭) varieties) but I don’t automatically assume every single person on those servers hold those values. In fact, I think 9/10 comments I see you post specifically, PugJ, I agree with.
I had no idea about the Hexbear/lemmygrad lore though, I’ll definitely keep that in mind going forward.
Yeah I randomly picked an instance when I created this account around a year ago, and these days I see people comment things like “lol of course you’re from .ml”.
I don’t even know what’s the difference between instances. And it’s not like we were given a whole lot of explanation when picking one.
Woohoo for tribalism
Yeah, hexbear and .grad seem to be mostly tankie users, but it seems much more split on .ml. The admins are questionable, and I’ve seen tankies there disproportionally, but since it was the default instance for a long time, there are also a bunch of non-tankie users. I think lumping .ml in with hexbear and .grad really downplays just how bad those two are.
- I need to start learning Finnish?
Good luck with that buddy. Look up “kuusi palaa”.
Anyone who disagrees with their narratives is banned in hexbear. Ml was the default for a while so loads of people on there who have no idea what a tankie even is.
you seem to be getting hexbear confused with .world
Dude, I got banned from hexbear also. Who cares? Let them run their instance the way they want. Instances are digital communes and should reflect the values of the members who are a part of it.
Not every instance is going to be for everyone. This is a good thing. That’s what the block function is for.
The feuders want the admins to dictate what you can and can’t see. One must question their motives considering there is a fully functional block feature at the user/community/instance level. Don’t like it? Block and move on. That’s all there should be to it.
No, it’s not how a platform should be run and I will continue pushing for better solutions and then using them.
The design is inherently limiting and stupid. You will just end up in the exact same situation as Reddit where a large percent of the discussion can be blocked at the will of some moron.
I’ve been called a tankie in the same posts where I criticize the USSR and Russia, or when I say China isn’t inherently good or evil.
Tankies are to liberals what woke is to Republicans. Taking a term invented by a community, reclaiming it, giving it a new definition only used by them.
