My favorite part is how cops will break cover or obscure doorbell cams all the time.
It’s been time, dumbass
It was time a decade ago. And people were. But few people listened.
I agree with the sentiment of this article and warranted suspicion of connected cameras but its weird that the writer just jumps to food delivery apps part way through and then straight back to doorbell cameras.
Also, what’s this part supposed to mean?
…images that have been forwarded so many times they have the weary sheen of photocopies.
The number of times a digital image is forwarded won’t affect it’s appearance.
It depends how you forward images. I assume they are referring to how many/most services (like whatsapp/discord/telegram etc) don’t just send the original file, but do some compression to save data. Do this a bunch of times and you end up with a photo that starts to show noticeable artifacts/pixellation.
That’s my take at least
There truly is an XKCD for everything
Is there an xkcd comic for when people find an xkcd comic for everything?
If I don’t control it, I won’t install it.
With violent criminals running the government, yeah, I kinda do. You can’t trust police body cams to work when they come knocking. Also useful for package thieves and people that deface your anti-nazi sign.
I use unifi cameras that save to a local nvr which is inaccessible off my network.
Are there good local backup options? I have some Ubiquiti gear but their camera system seems too locked down
Blue Iris will use pretty Much any cameras including Ubiquiti, has a mobile app for viewing and alerts, and has self hosted AI object recognition using code project. Its entirely off the grid if you want it to be. I know it just saves to folders that you could backup, but it will also do ftp, etc out of the box
They released their NAS product(which is just a NAS, no apps). You can archive selected footage to it or some cloud providers. You can also back up a NAS to another NAS either at the same location or remote.
Edit: Just to clarify it allows any CIFS/SMB share on a remote location. It’s not automatic though. You have to manually export the clips you want.
Been eyeing this. I have older unifi internet equipment, and with a recent wifi radio purchase, I realize one seems to need their cloud key or gateway products now
I think you only need the controller or phone app for setup or config changes. Though it is easier, in my opinion, to just run a controller. You can (at least last time I checked) still self host one if you like. If you’re just doing network config and monitoring, you don’t need much in terms of performance.
Yep. This is the way. G4 Pro is pretty good, too.
@jandoenermann “Always has been”
Yes. In fact, it’s long past time, and it’s already been done countless times before; nobody seems to be listening. People have been pointing to growing authoritarian States for years, and yet the entire globe seems to be all-in on giving police states another try (or are so privileged they don’t care).
Time to take back your privacy yourself. Hopefully this article will reach some normies who didn’t give it any other thought.
I’ve noticed that anyone who has gotten one newly installed can’t stop looking at it for every small thing. It’s like built-in paranoia. Not to mention that every time I take a walk in my neighborhood I’m now on bunch of different people’s cameras without even knowing it.
I did that for about 6 months, mostly to see how good the detection was in frigate (new 0.15.0 release last week, fyi) when I first got it running but the novelty wore off.
I see people in line at the grocery store watching their family watch TV in their living room. That’s creepy to me.
Yet, somehow Google Glass was reason to beat up its nosy users.
I use a POE doorbell camera that is blocked from the Internet.
I use a hardwired button that makes a bell sound inside my house.
I’ve got a bell, spring, and pull handle. It’s genuinely amazing
I use a specialised hammer-and-anvil system that produces an audible notification whenever someone use it.
I get stakeholders in the me-visiting community to self-empower their activity through user induced notification media
I tie a toy chicken to a wall that when honked, creates an audible sound.
I have a sign that says “Shout to enter”.
I left a flat spot on my door so people can knock
95 percent of the folks I’ve known literally get them as a ‘oh my Amazon package is here’ device, not for security. Granted security is a bonus, but if you actually wanted security you’d get perimeter cams, not a doorbell with a very limited FoV.
it’s a terrible world.
Also for laziness. I’m not answering the door every time someone comes around to sell me solar panels or driveway seal coating, but there are people who I do want to answer for
Plus I suppose there’s “is my dog barking for a reason, or just another dog walking by?”
In the Netherlands the police have a network where people can add their home doorbell spy devices.
It’s horrid and there’s an extreme amount of privacy issues.
So yes, please continue the fight against excessive surveillance.
Just the other day, I read an article about how much cases they are able to solve because of the footage. That is a good thing in my opinion.
The police also will ask for the footage, but you don’t have to give it. It’s entirely up to you if you want to do so.
Even so, I prefer not to be filmed at random by people’s door bells, thank you very much.
Yes, there’s always some sort of justification towards authoritarianism. The real solution is to fix underlying issues instead. For example, if there is a lot of theft, your social safety net has failed. Punishing people because they react to a problem without fixing the problem is how surveillance- and police states come to be.
We should therefor not fall into spy cameras following our every move. We have to fight them now while they are not too normalized yet. Otherwise, even if underlying problems are fixed, they will still be there, and might get used for far more sinister reasons.
Some good things to understand are the Boiling Frog Syndrome and Ratchet Effect.
But also these cameras also solve a problem much faster and just seems like common sense whereas trying to fix some abstract core Zeitgeist that may or may not solve the issue isnt much to sink our teeth into. It’s like someone asking you to fix their toilet and you’re like “well what is a toilet and maybe the issue is you don’t earn enough money to pay a plumber” like great, you’re right in one regard, but the toilet is broken and you could fix it
Nice banalization.
It would look more like putting a camera in your toilet because “one should be scared of poop diseases”, but then add your toilet cam to a database that every doctor can use to find toilet cams.
How would a Cam do that?
Maybe like a health department that collects samples at treatment plants to identify the spread of disease. It’s an invasion of privacy. But also doesn’t mean it’s not a benefit to it.
is it a “can” or a “must”? I don’t mind if it’s optional but yea it defo shouldn’t be required
It’s optional yes. But they manipulate you with the default scare tactics into registering.
How sweet would it be if cops did their job though. Like if they actually used the images to arrest the guy breaking into people’s cars at night.
But if they can access it they can gain control of it and delete it after they rob your car lol
After the cops steal my car?
Some of my neighbors have them and I hate walking down the street. I know it’s a public sidewalk, but hearing all the little pings and “some one is at the front door” it creeps me out. I live in a single party consent state so there’s not like anything I can do but now there’s a database with a record of when I go to/come back from work. I don’t like that. Thankfully, when signing the lease, my landlord forbid in the contact the installation on those. He also owns the houses on either side of mine… a little strip of privacy in a sea of surveillance.
I don’t think single party technically would cover that. The neighbors would have to be involved in the interaction to give themselves permission to record it.
From what I’m given to understand of my state’s laws, this would be covered under the same kind of thing as the surveillance cameras at a convenience store or shopping center parking lot and the expectations a person would have for their privacy… it just sucks.
How close are the front doors? I live in a pretty dense city and I’ve never heard them go off like that.
Good guy landlord, remember to tip well
Gr8 b8
My neighbor’s camera caught someone doing a hit and run on my car, eternally grateful for that!
Except they can do the same thing without opted into a massive surveillance system that tracks your comings and goings and hands it over to the government to be used against you.
Which I agree with… IE I like the system of “your camera catches a hit and run”, you can go knock on their door, ask them to share the footage with you… and you give it to your lawyer, cops or insurance adjusters as you see fit.
What people like me don’t like is the idea that the cops decide to search your permission, use your footage to prosecute a crime you wouldn’t want to. Imagine the same scenerio… except instead of a hit and run… lets say it was say someone delivering pot… or a hispanic person just going home for the day, and ICE was looking for someone to bother, etc…
Point is we’re all happy to be witnesses to crimes that hurt people. but we also know you give cops too much power… and you’ll find horrible things happening
Well, after we put in our cameras, the cops did come knocking to investigate a shooting across the street.
As I explained to the cops: “The cameras trigger on motion, not sound, and they’re only pointed at our property, not across the street. No records.”
Cops left after that.
What a stupid fucking headline
