• ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    I’ve actually been to a native american restaurant. It was on a reserve. They served buffalo burgers. It was fucking delicious.

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    To divide indigenous people with our current borders is anachronistic and not useful.

    For example, Aztecs migrated from the current United States (or close, as there’s no consensus) into Mexico. I bet they carried on culinary traditions. If so, dishes from Mexico City are an example of native (native to their first and their second land) cuisine.
    Yaqui, Pima/Pima Bajo, Kickapoo and other groups lived and live both in the U.S. and Mexico. So, again, northern Mexican dishes might be “Native American” dishes.

    But that notion alone is problematic as it implies the indigenous peoples’ food was and is more similar than it actually is. We can have Quechua cuisine, Mayan cuisine, Cherokee cuisine, but grouping them up for a restaurant would be as easy as trying to open an “East Asian restaurant” or a “European restaurant”. What to put on the menu? Lol.

    I hope I’m not pedantic. I just don’t agree with the divide of the indigenous people by our current nations, and I’m debating the air over here.

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      I’m from Sinaloa (Northwest of Mexico, south of Arizona) and the food is really really different from Mexico City’s cuisine.

      I’ve found that New Mexican food (from New Mexico) is really similar and uses the same ingredients. Also the vocabulary spoken in that region combines several Native American words with Spanish (words like adjectives, children or child, animals and foods names, etc) and if you go to our cousin state of Sonora that sits between Arizona and us, you’ll see plenty of Yaqui and Mayo cultural references. They even have a baseball team called The Yaquis.

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        5 days ago

        Exactly my point! And those are nice examples; indigenous culture is alive. Thank you for sharing.

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    7 days ago

    I feel like this post doesn’t give enough credit to Europeans who also killed millions of native Americans before the US was even founded.

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    I remember when this came up a few years ago on Twitter. There are First Nations restaurants, most (white) people just don’t go to them and where they are. Yes there are not a lot, it would be much better if there was more. The reason there isn’t is because of colonization and genocide.

    But we also have to be careful because presenting a minority group as already extinct exists to help continue the perpetuation of the genocide. As Judith Butler describes.

    An ungrievable life is one that cannot be mourned because it has never lived, that is, it has never counted as a life at all’

    There is a surviving first nations food culture that doesn’t care whether Patrick Blumenthal has eaten it or not.

    Also First Nations food has been heavily assimilated to into many cultures food. Mexican Food, Peruvian Food, etc When people eat these foods they don’t think of it’s relationship to First Nations, but there’s a connection.

    Finally stuff like corn, tomatoes, potatoes all of this food that is widespread everywhere is from North and South America and only hits Europe and Asia in the early modern period. What is and isn’t a certain cultures food is not static but subject to forces of history.

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      There’s a native restaurant near me that is kinda like the equivalent of Chipotle for American Indian cuisine, and it’s fantastic. The owners are members of the Osage Nation and have had a few restaurants since the 90s. Really happy for them that they recently expanded to also have a food truck and catering business, as well as a little satellite location at a nearby ski mountain.

      I can’t do much to help undo the genocide and cultural erasure, but I damn well take everybody I know to that restaurant.

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        7 days ago

        If I knew of one, I’d totally try it out, but the reservations in my area are a bit out of the way, and I don’t see any obvious native restaurants.

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      "But we also have to be careful because presenting a minority group as already extinct exists to help continue the perpetuation of the genocide. As Judith Butler describes.

        An ungrievable life is one that cannot be mourned because it has never lived, that is, it has never counted as a life at all'
      

      Thank you so much for this reminder; because of this, I have realised that this is a trap that my thoughts sometimes slip into. Hopefully I will be able to be mindful of it and check myself in future

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      7 days ago

      Cooking with smoke is pretty much universal across all indigenous people, not just in North America

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    Important to point out: native food culture was wiped out because of the forced migration of natives. The federal government subsidized natives with basic food ingredients that were not commodities to them. I can’t really imagine what they ate prior to being pushed out of their native lands without doing a serious deep dive into pre-19th century accounts of their food.

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      There are a number of Dinè(Navajo) food carts and trucks, but mostly people selling food out of their trunks in parking lots, or on Facebook market place here in NM. And Mexican/New Mexican/TexMex/CA Mex are all different versions of Native American foods. Tamales are a native food.

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        Mmm Tamales.

        But yeah I’m not restricting my definition of restaurant to a building. That cuts off entire categories of awesome food.

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          Sorry, was not trying to imply you were limiting to a restaurant. More I was trying to further illustrate your point.

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            7 days ago

            Man we need better tone marks for text language. I wasn’t mad at you, just making conversation.

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              As for tamales, they are one of my favorites. But since becoming a vegetarian they are much harder to find ones I can eat. Sometimes Costco has green chile Monterey Jack tamales. Which are okay, but nothing like the ones from the trunk of a barely running car outside the dollar store.

              I wonder how red chile jack fruit tamales would be.

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                  I left nm shortly after high school and eventually ended up living in Maryland. The majority of our Mexican places in Maryland were Salvadoran, which was fine but not New Mexican food and tamales were scarce. I made them once and solo they were so labor intensive. I floated the idea to the social club where we hung out and got a decent sized group to help make them. We ended up making tamales about once a quarter. They were some of the best I have ever had.

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    Don’t you worry Patrick, our zealous lefties are on that shit. Why, just recently, they spent a long time discussing why they’d prefer a fascist regime than to vote for someone they considered guilty of genocide.

    Admittely it hasn’t worked out very well yet, but the point is that they are keenly aware of the issues with the Native American genocide. I’m almost sure.

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    8 days ago

    Then kidnapped the remaining children and put them in “schools” where they only thing even attempted was to erase indigenous culture…