Just post only in one community. Not that hard.
Nah. The Lemmy.world mods will ban you for posting or commenting anything that isn’t in line with western propaganda. Fuck merging.
Nah, I want more, smaller communities.
I agree and I think we should merge instances too, and maybe appoint a CEO to take care of it. we can call it lemmit.
I think it would be cool if something like “meta-communities” existed. Fully adjustable, fully optional. Less duplicates.
You’d sub to one meta c/memes or c/news and see a combined feed of all known instance’s versions. Post to whichever you want, show up in the meta (if you want).
If you still want to block from the meta sub or individually sub to c/memes on ABC instance, you could do that. Moderation would be subject to the instance the user posted on, subject to broader instance admin’s defederations and stuff.
Idk just a quick idea. Decentralization is good, but a little bit of… aggregation like this could go a long way without actually centralizing power. Could help communities (big and small niche) to grow.
So, think through how this looks in the long run. Hell, just think about what this prioritizes.
You have five communities covering the same topic. There’s, what? 500? 1000? 2000 people active in them? Enough that there is a steady stream of posts and comments in all of them. They’re all housed on separate websites, and those websites maybe have different goals and different rules. So, people start lumping them together in aggregate feeds.
What does that look like? In practice, how do users treat this?
They treat it as if they’re all one community. As if they’re all in one place. All managed by one cohesive set of rules (or, realistically, most people treat all spaces as if none of them have rules, and then put up a stink when they’re met with the consequences of this).
Then, they start expecting to not see duplicates. So, which community’s posts do they see when there are multiples? Oh, that’s easy: all of them! They will start expecting comments to be merged. So, now you have people treating all of the communities not only as if they’re interchangeable, but as if they’re all one.
This is a backdoor to not just homogenization, but to quiet hostile takeovers of smaller communities by larger ones. All because users are too damn entitled to just pick one that most closely meets their needs and contribute to it.
We don’t need meta-communities. We need people to get over their fucking FOMO.
Those are actually all really good points. Nevermind about my idea then…
I’ve been saying this over a year ago:
https://lemmy.world/comment/708523
This why lemmy and federation instances are so missing and empty. We don’t even have the option to make custom subscription lists or I’d have manually done that. It’s so badly needed
Isn’t RSS what you’re describing?
Not exactly but that’s a good way to think about it in essence. These metacommunities would be purpose built for and integrated into lemmy though, otherwise it would just be RSS which doesn’t address the fragmentation issue.
This is a fantastic idea. I really love the decentralization of Lemmy, but I do feel the side effects of having many copies of the same subject on different instances.
And to your point, I’d love for niche communities to have a larger audience. I need somewhere to post and read about project zomboid.
Sounds like a whole app idea.
The chronically online weirdos on world don’t like the chronically online weirdos on ml. They are both chronically online weirdos and I try to view these really active communities or names I recognize like a zoo. These people are throwing shit at eachother for our amusement. Keep it separate.
I see we both took a day trip to the zoo and got locked up by accident.
We’re all trapped in the zoo, my friend. The illusion is that none of us are caged.
Or… And here me out… when can go descentralised ;-)
Don’t take it wrong. I dislike to check multiples communities just like you but then I remember how centralised my life is and I’m fine with it.
yeah, I thought the whole point of lemmy was not to centralize everything … it’s nice when things are spread across separate instances, as long as the instances federate
Just chiming to throw some light hearted shade at lemmy.world for defederating from the piracy communities. My time on lemmy.world was really poor, and I came away not thinking too highly of Lemmy as a whole. My experience in different instances has been a world of difference, and I finally get fantastic content in my feeds and am fully on board with Lemmy
Yep, their defederation from piracy comms and moderation of Luigi-related politics are my two biggest gripes with the instance administration itself.
Which instance are you using? I’ve been using world since start, but open to others. Never really looked into it too much.
Hexbear.net (currently chapo.chat) is good, if you’re a Communist or Anarchist. What kind of interests do you have? Dbzer0 has a bunch of great piracy resources, as an example.
a Communist or Anarchist
What a clever way to say anarchists aren’t communists. I’m proud of you, tankie. You guys are always so subtle.
That’s not what I was implying, historically “Communist” has been used for Marxists. Anarcho-Communism is only one type of Anarchist, there are Anarcho-Syndicalists, Anarcho-Primitivists, etc, meanwhile Marxism is always Communist.
Anarchists and Marxists do want different end-results, Anarchists want full decentralization and Marxists want full centralization and democratization, but are aligned in opposition to Capitalism and Imperialism and wish to create a more just and equitable society for all.
Marxism is always Communist
Well, if you mean genuine marxists, then yes. But many non-marxist, non-communist groups call themselves marxists, such as Stalinists, who argue for Socialism In One Country against Marx’s advice. You’ve got to look out for those.
Socialism in One Country isn’t against Marx at all. The argument between Socialism in One Country and Permanent Revolution was whether it was worth building up Socialism while also supporting global revolution, or devote all resources to global revolution and give up on Socialism until then. Permanent Revolution ended up being generally wrong, and depended on the Peasantry being incapable of genuine alliance with the Proletariat, which was wrong.
Genuinely, what do you think Socialism in One Country means to where it goes against Marx? Communism must be global, but Socialism begins with the Proletariat taking control.
Loads of instances do not federate with hexbear.
Surely it’s only a good instance if you’re happy with a much less federated experience, to say nothing of the usual complaints people have of hexbear users.
There are some instances that defederated from Hexbear, but largely instances like Lemmy.world. Hexbear is active enough on its own, federation is just a bonus.
I’m curious why you said “instances like Lemmy.world”
https://chapo.chat/post/505181
Looks like the nice people, the canadians, the LGBT, the trans people, the furries, the new zealanders, the programmers, the germans, and the environmentalists defederated with Hexbear, in terms of instances that have a strong theming. The only common trend I can identify between those groups is that they all tend left of center. Except perhaps the germans, given current events.
So when you said “instances like Lemmy.world”, did you mean leftists?
Not at all, I mean generally right-wing liberal instances. Many Leftist or general instances are federated with Hexbear, like Mander or Lemm.ee.
We could go into the reasons for defederation, if you want.
Ah, so you mean that many right wing instances are deferated, and ALSO the queers, the trans people, and the furries. Interesting. If both the left and the right are opposed to Hexbear, that would logically suggest Hexbear is centrist.
I’m on lemm.ee! It seems to have a good balance of users and sensible defederation. On mobile, the app you use make a world of a difference too. Both Jerboa and Thunder (Android) were mid tier experiences, but now I’m using Boost and it’s phenomenal!
EE is nice. They won’t defederate with just about anyone. But so far the mod assholery has been minimal.
my man has no idea on the motivation behind federation
It’s still federated.
They are just trying to say that you don’t want all your eggs in one basket. In my opinion it’s better to have it posted once on either and it shows up in my list. The logic is that if everyone posts on 1 instance, that instance ends up having more power over other instances. For instance it can defederate with another instance and since all the content is on theirs those users would be forced to start over, or join the bigger instance and abide by their rules. Slowly you end up back in a situation like reddit. Where maybe they put ads in, and you have to choose ads and active number of users, or no ads and very little content starting fresh. Spreading out content helps combat enshitification if you will.
the motivation behind federation
Memes under lemmy.ml glorified stalin just shortly ago. My first post calling Stalin a Monster and explaining a little, was just deleted. Afterwards they tried to tell me that all his crimes and crulties were fake news or necessary evils.
Prett fucked up imho
How much libs whine about fuckin everything except the anglosphere is exactly why I’m glad there’s an ml instance
Yes, but on which instance? Lemmy.ml is not controversy free and Lemmy.world already hosts like 50% of Lemmy alone. I think the only viable option that everyone could agree on would be another instance, but that would just leave us with 3 communities.
I think the only viable option that everyone could agree on would be another instance, but that would just leave us with 3 communities.
Relevant XKCD:
Exactly. Instead why don’t let grow MORE NICHE communities with specific kind of memes on smaller instances?
The larger communities are easier to find and have more subscribers, people can post to one of the smaller ones, but very few people will see it.
That happens on active but themed instances like Hexbear, the problem is the drive to replicate a “generalist” instance. The fewer “general” instances the better the niches grow.
An entire meme instance with no users attatched to it with multiple specific meme communities
I created dullsters.net just for just one community, it could be more if there were demand for dull content or another dull community wanted to come over, but I don’t have any plans to make it some big thing.
I agree, theres no need to fight
How about rebasing instead of merging to get a more linear meme history?
MAKE .WORLD EVERYTHING!
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It would be tight if there was a local option(What we have now) and a All option that let’s you see all the communities across all federated spaces that share that same name.
