Thats easy to solve though. It’ll appeal to women if the sexbot can do household chores. Who wouldn’t want a robot maid?
Isn’t that because women have had vibrators for decades?
I’d prefer a real hooker.
Former sex worker - what’s the appeal?
It’s basically impossible to do full service work without being severely traumatized. I guess I don’t have to pay for sex since I like men - no matter what age sex gender race what the fuck ever there’s a guy within 10 miles that’ll stick their dick in you - but I guess I don’t see the appeal of sex that my partner isn’t enjoying.
All sex is transactional, all women are whores and all men are johns, it’s just we have this weird cultural thing where it’s a crime to say “Look can I just Venmo you?” so we have to do things like pay for sex with flowers and chocolates and restaurant meals and jewelry and alimony.
“I faked all my orgasms” is up there with “your dick is small” on the list of “things women always say to men they’re angry at” so at some point his ability to care if its true or not burns out.
Are you sure it’s not just the women you’re having sex with are faking their orgasms?
Like, penetrative sex does not lead to orgasm for the majority of people with vaginas. You have to stimulate the clitoris. If you aren’t doing that - they probably are faking to get you to be done with it.
I’ve never met women concerned about dick size - being a “size queen” seems to be more of a thing for gay men. I don’t think there’s a lot of variation in feeling in a vagina for anywhere in the 4-7 inches range.
The attitude that all women are whores and that all sex is transactional seems sad to me. I had men say that to me when I was in the trade, and that was the kind of thing that contributed to it being hellish and unpleasant. I like the idea that sex is something people do because it’s fun and makes them feel good, not that it’s some sort of asymmetrical and hostile game.
I mean, sure. It’s easy to accuse me of being uniquely bad at sex, right? “Are you sure it’s not a YOU problem?”
Well according to the women I’ve slept with I’m simultaneously great and terrible in bed depending on if she was breaking up with me at the time the topic came to discussion. She’s either faking it in bed and the truth only comes out months later, or she’s having a good time in bed and trying to hurt my feelings while she’s angry at me. Which is why I brought up dick size. I don’t care if women care about dick size. I have a normal average medium-size dick and I’ve never been told that by a woman, it’s either huge or tiny depending on her desire to boost or bruise my ego. I’ve had the same woman say both.
I’ve asked every woman I’ve slept with some variation of Do you like that? What do you want to do? What’s your favorite? I don’t think I’ve ever gotten a useful answer out of that line of questioning. The most common response is an indignant “I don’t know!!!” like it’s an inappropriate question to ask at this moment. Or an “uh…yeah” or the surprisingly common continue to rhythmically moan as if no question was asked
Faking orgasms to get sex over with faster and then agreeing to have sex again with the same person is not the behavior of someone who wants to cum during sex. It’s such a dumbass way to go about achieving that goal that it’s just easier to believe the goal is something else.
She’s either got the notion in her head that there exists a man who “just knows” what she wants and she’ll never have to verbalize her wants or needs because he “just does” what she wants. Maybe she’s seen an old couple whose routines are in perfect sync and they fall apart without each other, and romcom movies have her convinced he just exists somewhere fully formed and all you’ve got to do is bend over to pick up dropped papers in front of the right business executive to get it, not spend 40 years of marriage living together, communicating, arguing, winning, losing, compromising, choosing battles and, pause for gasp, sometimes doing things for him too. So she just tries out a man, when he isn’t precisely what she has in mind she ghosts him and moves on to the next one.
Or, she’s willing to get on her back if if means a free meal at local fancy restaurant she can post to Instagram and maybe also even eat.
“what’s the appeal?”
Of a sex worker or a robot?
basically it boils down to skin-on-skin human contact versus a toy in this case. Did you never ask a client/partner/audience member? I assume reasons may vary. -I personally think the nature of the (business) relationship to be low-pressure and relatively straight-forward. -That is if we are to contrast it with the dating experience for the average man. Not everybody is relationship material, regardless.
I guess, it’s something that I have extremely complicated feelings about and severe trauma associated with. “Roses” on CL were kinda essential at a point in my life, and I’ve wondered what the other party got out of it.
Idk - like tons of men will “stealth” you. Or they’ll pressure you into not wearing condoms when they know you’re desperate.
Maybe this is trauma dumping I’d like to be retroactively humanized by a “john” a bit. But I’m just not sure how common it is not to be ultimately traumatized at the other end of things. This is not to be a “SWERF” - but what’s the difference between a human and one of these robots?
Edit: maybe a story more aligned to positive feelings towards “Johns” - the older man who saw that my tires were deflated and brought out a pump to fix it. He liked a thing I don’t but isn’t abnormal. Tolerable but not “enjoyable.”
The others are hard to balance it out against. Perhaps a consequence of not having a “Nordic model” or legalization. But also the kind of thing that often make it hard to think rationally. This is why I’m deeply empathic to Dworkin.
I didn’t want to make assumptions on your initial comment as i didn’t know if you were referring to yourself as a full-service sex worker or were using the term under the more general definition applied to strippers, adult film stars, and cam-models, etc. I’ve never hired a hooker, before but visiting Pahrump Nevada, or the red light district of the Netherlands is still on my bucket list.
-That said, having your own personal choice and control over the situation taken away either by guys trying to “stealth” you or to take advantage of a desperate situations at the potential expense of your health is an awful thing to do to someone else. I can only speculate as to what each of your clients wanted that they couldn’t get from a toy. If i’m asked to return to your earlier question of what’s the difference between a human sex worker and a robot, I guess I’d respond by asking what’s the difference between non-sex worker and a robot?
While the work may not be 1:1 to you I can say with regards to strippers there’s still a kind of nonemotional intimacy, and the workers get to express their personalities which made things fun. I don’t know if you got a chance to do any of that or not.
–Are you able to seek counseling for this? Regardless of what I’ve said, that’s some pretty heavy trauma you seem to be trying to make sense of. It could be beneficial to work through it with someone that has more formal training and a deeper knowledge for learning how to cope with these kind of things.
I guess, desire needs to be reciprocal for me.
I later found a lot of enjoyment in entering gay “cruising” culture as passing man. It’s that same impersonal, focused on just the pleasure and not the meaning - but without the power dynamic and pretense. I say, this is what I want, he agrees, and then a fun time is had by all.
I think the difference between say, sex as work and making food as work - I don’t really need to care or like the person who makes my food. There’s not an incentive for them to participate in something that can be physically painful or uncomfortable and then even pretend to be enjoying it through that pain. A lot of workplaces do force you to pretend in similar ways - don’t Chikfila employees have to say “my pleasure” or something - but pretending while dissociating in the act does fuck with your head in unique ways I think.
Working in Nevada or the Netherlands might be different. I guess when legalized, maybe you can say “slow down” or press a button for help when they take off the condom. I’ve only lived my life of course.
I do have some professional help, but don’t live in an area where the mental health needs of transexual former hookers are particularly accommodated for.
It’s funny to think that far enough into the future this may be viewed as robophobic.
does that make it gay
I’m with the ladies on this one.
I want to know what the state of the art AI sex robot is right now. Because they have those realistic-ish sex dolls, and some pretty advanced LLMs that can chat conversationally, and longer term memory is starting to get into the LLM repertoire so your bot can remember things about you and reference them later.
I feel like we’re 3-5 years away from a high end AI prostitute startup becoming huge.
It pains me to think that there soon may be a whole new employment field built around the demand for workers trained to muck out robo-vajayjay.
“natural” movement and the Uncanny Valley might be the next biggest hurdle actually.
My favorite part, is that ALL of the current AI companion products use subscriptions to LLM services instead of having built in models.
Which means
ifwhen the company stops paying their bill, or if the AI company goes under, your waifus goes kaput. Or more likely just restructuring because of a buyout. It’s already happened with a few companies -> big tech buys out the company then stops supporting the product line, that then customers get mad. IIRC, coincidentally HP is being sue for doing just that with some recent buyout right now lmao.The ante seems to get upped each time, and there exists at least one unstable lonely maniac that will not consider legal consequences to their actions when they are suddenly rugpulled out of their unhealthy addictive relationship, so there’s still room for the bubble to burst in an even more epic crash.
200k and they still want to milk you for a subscription 😂
Maybe some men like the idea, but I bet most of them would soon find the experience less fulfilling than they had hoped.
Something’s better than nothing
Most of us have hands. This is just a sex toy. The novelty of it being shaped like a whole-ass woman will soon wear off and turn into the same self loathing.
The true nature of the term ‘novelty.’
Most men are not much into the idea, either.
Intimacy is something very human, something most people are not ready to trust a machine to do, even if it’s capable of visibly empathetic reactions.
There is a desire to connect with another human being, not programmed to like you, but actually choosing you freely. It’s what people call “feeling it real”.
Most folks I have seen pushing for robotic partners are incels craving at least some form of closeness - having something like this might be better than nothing.
Also, dudes, let’s be real: would you put your dick into a machine much stronger than you? Something goes wrong and you don’t have your precious parts anymore.
Also, dudes, let’s be real: would you put your dick into a machine much stronger than you?
Hell yes
Something goes wrong and you don’t have your precious parts anymore.
Oh, IDK why I interpreted it as like a buff robot lol. 👀
Aren’t most incels men?
There are plenty of women who don’t have intercourse regularly, but they are less likely than their male counterparts to whine about it.
They are less likely to be much concerned, even.
Men, on average, have a stronger sexual drive.
Citation needed
Hahahahaha no
Roboburbilbear!
Shardik!
Bear Metal
Metal Bear Solid
I dunno, everyone was cool with the love story of Wanda & The Vision from the MCU. I guess fucking robots is not ok, but becoming emotionally attached to one is?
Except Vision isn’t a robot, he’s an android. Or maybe more than that; a synthetic life form. He is his own person, with his own wants and needs. He can feel and develop opinions on things. He’s not merely a computer with a personality algorithm.
He’s not something that was gestated or birthed, thus is not a person. You can say an android is different, but regardless he’s not human or living. He’s a fancy thinking robot. Wanda basically fell in love with an LLM with an attached vibrator.
I’ve never seen the Wanda and Vision show, but I always imagine it being Sonny from the I Robot movie with Will Smith, and Wanda Sykes.
The love story in the movie “Her” is even more impressive. It’s impressive because it’s not even a robot, it’s just an AI voice and yet the love story is still compelling. And it also asks bigger questions, sure there’s the question of could a person fall in love with a machine, and it’s that ok. But it goes further to ask, if the machine is actually intelligent, what does the machine see in the humans? Do the machines actually still need the humans at all?
I don’t think that’s a linear logic. We all know Vision is a robot. But we also know it’s a story about a robot that is played by a man. We are watching for the spectacle, not because we believed the story to be real.
Vision was also a robot with human-type consciousness and intelligence. We can, at least, nudge that into “funny-looking human” through suspension of disbelief.
Our level of robots is nowhere near that.
Exactly. The comic strip questionable content contains artificial intelligences with quirks, foibles, personalities, and a social understanding that they’re people too. In it people and ais have relationships and even marry. It’s no weirder than a human in a fantasy setting falling for an elf.
In the real world these are fancy chatbots owned run by corporations. Anyways here’s a video about people falling in love with them, it’s more sad than anything
I will get a sex robot when it can scoop catboxes and fold laundry.
I will get a sex robot when it can order me to scoop cat boxes and fold laundry.
You’re into some weird shit but I respect it
I’m willing to settle for fully self cleaning but I wouldn’t say no a full Maid Fuck Bot
Genius! It will sell even without the sex
every time I see crap like this it make me think about that 30rock porn for women skit with Tina Fey
You’re telling me women don’t like vibrators.
I’m no expert on attraction, but what if the sex robot looked like a skeleton?
I want to get off Mr. Bones Wild Ride.
I want to get off on Mr. Bones Wilde Ride.
