Human rights shouldn’t be abolish under any circumstance, there’s no scenario under which slavery is tolerated. A government should never draft people by force and neither should arrest them if they want to leave the country.
Your intentions are good… but very naive. Majority of people do not want to go to the front lines and die or watch their friends die. So most are going to flee if they have the opportunity, and thus the country will fall right into the hands of an agessor who cares nothing about these ‘human rights’. It is indeed unfortunate the circumstances has forced the Ukrainian government to rely on conscription to maintain its sovereignity. What exactly would you do about such a predicament?
So most are going to flee if they have the opportunity,
You are talking like a puppeter. If people want to leave a country so be it. Who are you to control them? Also what do you think they are going to achieve drafting by force people that don’t want to fight? They are not going to fight either way, they are losing resources hunting them as a display of power.
Let’s say i want to leave ukraine to strike russia at the top of the pyramid: in dubai where russian oligarchs are chilling in their yachts. Ukraine government will say no, you must do what we say and fight in the army. Why do you think it works this way? A government and its people are two different things, people exist and can defend themself beyond governments and rulers.
an agessor who cares nothing about these ‘human rights’
If both the aggressor and the defender stop caring about human rights you are not fighting for justice anymore
Naive is to believe that every person, millions of them, should agree and conform to your authority.
People need leadership, or they will fall apart into weak groups. People voted in their leadership. And when shit got tough, the leadership has taken action to keep their people safe within the most reasonable action. If the people truely feel opressed, whats stopping then from overthrowing the government and be annexed by their agressor? Its simple, individually, people are scared creatures who will flee rather than fight. But togather, apes are strong. And the people know it, but you cant take out the basic instincts out of people.
Also, you say “why should i go lone wolf and strike them own your own terms” do you really think thats gonna work? If so, why dont you go do it yourself? Whats stopping you? Its not that simple is it?
People need leadership, or they will fall apart into weak groups.
You are on lemmy, a decentralized and open source platform that has no central authority or leaders talking in a sub that expose mods power tripping. You may believe leadership is needed because historically we always had one but this is a wrong conclusion, history is plagued with wars and atrocities this doesn’t mean those are necessary. Leadership got forced on people through emperors, kings, dictators and even these days in our so fair “democracies” the government has to resolve daily to political repression and violence to keep his grip on power.
If the people truely feel opressed, whats stopping then from overthrowing the government?
Trillions spent to empower the government under the guise of security to the point where they are able to tap every conversation you make.
Also, you say “why should i go lone wolf and strike them own your own terms” do you really think thats gonna work? If so, why dont you go do it yourself? Whats stopping you? Its not that simple is it?
Doesn’t seem like the ukrainian government is insterested in striking russian oligarchs chilling in Dubai, perhaps someone may want to do that instead of go to the front and shoot at poor people bribed into war.
Lemmy isnt being invaded and its users arent being murdered and their homes razed. Is absolutely ridiculous to even compare the two things.
Also, attacking another nation despite hosting your enemy is an act of war… do you really think it is wise to provoke other nations while already struggling?
Your intentions are good… but very naive. Majority of people do not want to go to the front lines and die or watch their friends die. So most are going to flee if they have the opportunity, and thus the country will fall right into the hands of an agessor who cares nothing about these ‘human rights’. It is indeed unfortunate the circumstances has forced the Ukrainian government to rely on conscription to maintain its sovereignity. What exactly would you do about such a predicament?
You are talking like a puppeter. If people want to leave a country so be it. Who are you to control them? Also what do you think they are going to achieve drafting by force people that don’t want to fight? They are not going to fight either way, they are losing resources hunting them as a display of power.
Let’s say i want to leave ukraine to strike russia at the top of the pyramid: in dubai where russian oligarchs are chilling in their yachts. Ukraine government will say no, you must do what we say and fight in the army. Why do you think it works this way? A government and its people are two different things, people exist and can defend themself beyond governments and rulers.
If both the aggressor and the defender stop caring about human rights you are not fighting for justice anymore
Naive is to believe that every person, millions of them, should agree and conform to your authority.
People need leadership, or they will fall apart into weak groups. People voted in their leadership. And when shit got tough, the leadership has taken action to keep their people safe within the most reasonable action. If the people truely feel opressed, whats stopping then from overthrowing the government and be annexed by their agressor? Its simple, individually, people are scared creatures who will flee rather than fight. But togather, apes are strong. And the people know it, but you cant take out the basic instincts out of people.
Also, you say “why should i go lone wolf and strike them own your own terms” do you really think thats gonna work? If so, why dont you go do it yourself? Whats stopping you? Its not that simple is it?
You are on lemmy, a decentralized and open source platform that has no central authority or leaders talking in a sub that expose mods power tripping. You may believe leadership is needed because historically we always had one but this is a wrong conclusion, history is plagued with wars and atrocities this doesn’t mean those are necessary. Leadership got forced on people through emperors, kings, dictators and even these days in our so fair “democracies” the government has to resolve daily to political repression and violence to keep his grip on power.
Trillions spent to empower the government under the guise of security to the point where they are able to tap every conversation you make.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010s_global_surveillance_disclosures
Doesn’t seem like the ukrainian government is insterested in striking russian oligarchs chilling in Dubai, perhaps someone may want to do that instead of go to the front and shoot at poor people bribed into war.
Lemmy isnt being invaded and its users arent being murdered and their homes razed. Is absolutely ridiculous to even compare the two things.
Also, attacking another nation despite hosting your enemy is an act of war… do you really think it is wise to provoke other nations while already struggling?
It’s not a comparison is an example of a system that does not rely on central authority
Indeed it is. Just like hows the 195 countries is an example of a system that does not rely on central authority…