Because you now did it to yourself.

  • h6a@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    What belief, may I ask?

    Look, you can check my older comments to understand where I’m coming from. I’m open to listening and perhaps we both can learn something from all of this.

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      4 months ago

      The belief that everyone decrying Harris’ stance on Gaza was knowingly or unknowingly participating in enabling a worse stance on Gaza than the still-not-great one we would have gotten with her.

      Look back now with hindsight and tell me what would be better for Palestinians in Gaza. What we’re getting with trump in charge? Or what we might have gotten if every single person who said negative things about Harris’ stance had instead focused solely on how Trump’s stance was objectively worse per his own words.

      By not putting the focus on the absolutely 100% guaranteed WORSE stance of the two, people enabled talking points that led, in part, to where we are now.

      THAT is why so many of us screaming about harm reduction and the lesser of two evils is SO pissed off about single-issue Gaza voters not putting in for Harris.

      Stop letting perfect be the enemy of good. It leads to this.

      Elections are about holding your nose and making the best of a bunch of imperfect choices.

      Trying to make it anything else from the top down is folly. You have to start from the bottom up. Until that happens, we will never see our way out of a two party system.

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        4 months ago

        Look back now with hindsight and tell me what would be better for Palestinians in Gaza. What we’re getting with trump in charge? Or what we might have gotten if every single person who said negative things about Harris’ stance had instead focused solely on how Trump’s stance was objectively worse per his own words.

        Can you try to put that into words? Like, give me concrete examples of how Trump is worse for Gaza.

        A weapon doesn’t kill or hurt less people just because the dealer who sold/gave it away said, “Genocide is bad, okay?”

        Those bombs are gonna kill and hurt people no matter if it’s the Dems or the Reps sending them to Israel. There are lots of reasons why Trump is worse, but if you’re a Palestinian it really doesn’t make a difference if the weapon that kills you came from a racist man or a woman who condemns genocide.


        Edit:

        So many downvotes, so many disagreeing comments, but not a single fucking person has managed to give one concrete example that explains why weapons coming from Trump is so much worse than weapons coming from Kamala, for Palestinians.

        Palestinian nº1: Watchout, a bomb!

        Palestinian nº2: Don’t worry, the person who send it said that genocide is bad!

        Palestinian nº1: Oh, thank God! And thank you, for putting my mind at ease. For a moment I though that bomb had come from a racist, but I’m glad to hear American democracy has been saved by the democratic party! Now I can be blown to pieces with a smile on my face 🙂

        Edit 2:

        Here’s an article detailing the destruction in Gaza in December 2023, 11 months ago. I feel like some of you need reminding of the current reality, when you can’t even come up with concrete hypotheticals.

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          Can you try to put that into words? Like, give me concrete examples of how Trump is worse for Gaza.

          Because there’s no effing way Netanyahu would have posted anything like this in response to a Kamala win.

          “Congratulations on history’s greatest comeback! Your historic return to the White House offers a new beginning for America and a powerful recommitment to the great alliance between Israel and America. This is a huge victory! In true friendship,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu posted on social media platform X.

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            I asked for something concrete that Trump would do that is worse for Palestine. You still haven’t explained how a bomb from the Republicans hurts more than a bomb from the Democrats.

            Again, there’s lots of reasons Trump is worse than Kamala, but weapons will kill people no matter who uses them.

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              4 months ago

              Are you seriously unable to imagine anything worse than whats happening there right now? Read a fucking history book.

              I can’t even believe an adult person is trying to make this argument. Please tell me that you’re a child.

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                4 months ago

                And one more comment where you give me nothing concrete. Every reply I get like this and which fails to give concrete examples just reinforce my point.

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        You’re still blind you’ve learned nothing. Enjoy your fascism. Its not your fault people didnt vote for harris. Its their fault for not understanding how the system works. 😂 You’re hopeless. Harris lost not because of the genocide, its just an example, she lost because she didn’t give voters a reason to show up for her.

        Arabs? Israel has a right to murder your family. Young people? Sit down im speaking. Labors? Heres 50k for you to start a business. Wat? I need to afford eggs. Abortion? Oh wait thats protected already is most of the states in play.

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            Yup and? When will you learn people need support and not shame if you want them to chill in your backyard? Please go self reflect and that what people who are informing you here to your favored party.

            Apparently people who sat out didnt get your memo that they then supported trump by not showing up. Funny how that happens.