• GodlessCommie@lemmy.worldOPM
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      6 days ago

      It’s voters with the delusion they have an impact on policy that is written by capitalists that are to blame for our current state of Fascism.

      Unless you are among the donor class you have zero impact in government.

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        6 days ago

        That’s literally not true.

        No one should have to pull out the facts to prove it, either - what happened to make you give up on Democracy?

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            6 days ago

            We don’t have a democracy, we have the illusion of a democracy.

            Well, that’s patently not true. We vote, the winner takes office. What’s so hard about understanding that? You see that that happens, right?

            Studies from Princeton and Cambridge show politicians listen to the rich, not us.

            Oh no a Study from Princeton! Dearie me, well I guess that’s the end of that debate then innit.

            Does public opinion affect the political process? Gilens & Page found that the number of Americans for or against any idea has no impact on the likelihood that Congress will make it law.

            Did they. Well that’s fascinating. So by their logic no one of any political leaning has any influence. Which means laws are prepared, lobbied, and passed by . . . well, aliens, I guess. Or computers maybe. Still I have the nagging feeling that maybe that’s a huge crock of shit. But then again they are from Princeton, and that’s a good brand, I’ve heard of that. So maybe they’re “right”.

            • GodlessCommie@lemmy.worldOPM
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              6 days ago

              We vote, the winner takes office.

              Vote based on their hand picked candidates. Your choices are manufactured for their benefit. We saw how quickly the oligarchy shifted policy when the candidate they didn’t want won the WH with Carter. We saw how they responded when their power was under threat with Bernie. We see how they subvert the process by keeping 3rd party options off the ballots. When 1 billionaire has more political influence than millions of voters your vote means nothing.

              They will occasionally throw a few stale bread crumbs out to quiet the masses, but that’s all they are, stale bread crumbs.

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                6 days ago

                You can get involved and change things. That’s the point.

                Saying “nuh uh” and “it’s rigged” shows how little involvement you have. It’s self-defeating. Change has a pathway, it’s built-in. We can use it. We just have to, y’know, use it. The bare minimum of which is to vote.

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                  6 days ago

                  Change and change has never come about via electoral politics, it has come about via mutual aid and class solidarity.

                  The only thing built into politics is defending the current systems of oppression, participating in and defending those systems prevents change and progress.

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                    6 days ago

                    Change and change has never come about via electoral politics, it has come about via mutual aid and class solidarity.

                    Man I don’t know if you’re talking about United States politics, but it has definitely seen change come about via electoral politics. Many times.

                    As for russia or whatever - yeah that may be, I dunno.

    • ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works
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      6 days ago

      Lmfao, imagine not only still genuinely believing that you can vote oligarchy, and the inevitable fascism it brings with it, away, but actually getting on your high horse and riding in to the sunset to die on that hill…