• wewbull@feddit.uk
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    21 hours ago

    Sure, but there’s an lot of people classifying disagreement as hatred and using that to stamp out the discourse we need to have as a society.

    Take positive discrimination. Some see it as corrective action for historical injustices. Some see it as newspeak it for just another form of discrimination and two wrongs don’t make a right. There’s a societal discourse that needs to happen there.

    Nobody is preaching hatred, but I expect I’ll get shit for even suggesting there’s a ethical argument against DEI.

    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
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      5 hours ago

      DEI, when applied in the real life, usually means if there’s two people with similar enough skillsets, one hires the more disadvataged one. Some programs use a scoring system, where being marginalized grants you extra scores on top of what you get on the tests, sure, but it’s usually pretty low (10-20 max for a 450+ max score system). It also involves training for the HR, so their prejudices can be overwritten with actual fact.

      However, when I first heard about DEI in 2012 (!), it was that people told me I could get fired for being white just so the workplace can expand its “diversity”, while the guy telling me its existence told me how can I help Fidesz to win the next elections, and that I should become a hardcore conservative ASAP because I would grow out of leftism.

    • GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works
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      8 hours ago

      Running a company with people who are all exactly the same is such a stupid idea that it doesn’t even merit a discussion. How are you going to understand your market, your demographics, cultural changes? Dumbest shit I’ve heard in awhile.

    • OneMeaningManyNames@lemmy.ml
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      19 hours ago

      disagreement as hatred

      John Cleese, you? Disagreement to millions of peoples existence and rights is hatred right enough, bigot.

      Nobody is preaching hatred

      Only Moms for Liberty, Gays Against Groomers, Proud Boys, the whole of Project 2025, GenSpect, the richest men in the world and the president of the United States. Yeah right, bigot.

      Take positive discrimination

      Classic fascist grievance camouflaged as concern trolling. There 👏 Is 👏 Systemic 👏 Discrimination 👏 Period 👏 . May be it is not as good as abolishing inequality for good, but it is a reparation for the institutionalized violence, injustice and deprivation black and or women face. That objection of yours makes you a…wait what’s the word, como se dice en ingles, BIGOT.

      newspeak

      Yeah it is the white cishet man who lives in a dystopia, not all the rest. Like those rich white male white supremacist chauvinists and sexual offenders who control the production and the media? You are so fucking hypocritical here someone has to punch the obvious truth into you.

      societal discourse that needs to happen there

      No there is not, you need to shut up, bigot.

    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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      20 hours ago

      It would help if you re-thought your argument from the perspective of a person with the intelligence to understand the difference between discourse and intolerant hate speech. Yes. We are discussing hatred.

      No, don’t drag DEI into this. There is no equivalency in this discussion. It just shows your biases to even remotely associate it.

        • OneMeaningManyNames@lemmy.ml
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          19 hours ago

          It is intolerant hate speech targeted at people who are specifically targeted by racist, genderist, ableist, and sexist double standards, going against the very pillars of democracy and modern science, to serve a religious and corporatist agenda. What was your point, mfer?