Except you are free from some consequences, that’s exactly why there are laws in place, to delimit what you can do without retaliation, and what you cannot.
Yes, there are, some fairly harmless, some much more impactfull. Getting a dislike from a comment is a consequence, although very benign. Getting boycotted or banned from a platform is another consequence, which could be quite devastating.
In a way… I admit that ALL types of free speech when used can have SOME consequences.
The issue I have with your original statement is that you put all consequences in the same basket… With that logic you can say that freedom to vote does not mean freedom from consequences, therefore you can’t complain that I try to indimidate anyone if front of the booth
The issue I have with your argument is you have backtracked on the fact that consequences exist and I never mentioned who would be enforcing said consequences or what they would be.
You assumed what I meant, ran with it and now are complaining because you had to shift your position where the original statement I made still holds.
I have not backtracked on anything… My very first comment explicitly says that “It protects you against SOME consequences (then I proceed to list some as an example)”, which obviously implies that some others aren’t protected by it… I also never mentionned who would be enforcing it…
I didn’t care which consequences you thought about, and still don’t. It’s not what my comments are about.
My issue with your comment is you saying that freedom of speech doesn’t protect hate speech because it doesn’t give you freedom from ALL consequences. But freedom of speech gives the same protection to hate speech as any other form of speech.
I would have the same to say if that comment was :
"
-Freedom of speech includes talking about minorities oppression
-Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consequences you woke bastard
"
Or any other topic.
I think I would agree with you on a lot of ideas, but using fallacious arguments is never helpfull.
What you interpret as me changing sides is just me agreeing with the relevant arguments you make.
You are the only one assuming my thoughts here. All I am saying since the beginning is that your argument doesn’t contradict op’s meme.
It is not a false statement, I never said as such, it simply doesn’t contradict it, and using it to imply that op is racist is the issue at hand.
Freedom of speech does protect hate speech, that’s an issue with it, and it merits to be discussed. Every right comes with drawbacks, and closing the discution in favor of circlejerking is never a good idea.
On that note I’m getting tired of this discussion too, so I’ll stop there. Once again, I do not have a grudge against you or your ideas, I just hate seeing falacious arguments beeing aplauded all the time, but I guess that’s unavoidable on social medias, no matter which. Have a nice day, and ty for this conversation.
Except you are free from some consequences, that’s exactly why there are laws in place, to delimit what you can do without retaliation, and what you cannot.
So there are consequences with free speech?
Yes, there are, some fairly harmless, some much more impactfull. Getting a dislike from a comment is a consequence, although very benign. Getting boycotted or banned from a platform is another consequence, which could be quite devastating.
So you admit that certain types of speech when used have consequences even though free spech exists.
In a way… I admit that ALL types of free speech when used can have SOME consequences.
The issue I have with your original statement is that you put all consequences in the same basket… With that logic you can say that freedom to vote does not mean freedom from consequences, therefore you can’t complain that I try to indimidate anyone if front of the booth
The issue I have with your argument is you have backtracked on the fact that consequences exist and I never mentioned who would be enforcing said consequences or what they would be.
You assumed what I meant, ran with it and now are complaining because you had to shift your position where the original statement I made still holds.
I said CONSEQUENCES, not what ones.
I have not backtracked on anything… My very first comment explicitly says that “It protects you against SOME consequences (then I proceed to list some as an example)”, which obviously implies that some others aren’t protected by it… I also never mentionned who would be enforcing it…
I didn’t care which consequences you thought about, and still don’t. It’s not what my comments are about. My issue with your comment is you saying that freedom of speech doesn’t protect hate speech because it doesn’t give you freedom from ALL consequences. But freedom of speech gives the same protection to hate speech as any other form of speech.
I would have the same to say if that comment was : " -Freedom of speech includes talking about minorities oppression -Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consequences you woke bastard " Or any other topic.
I think I would agree with you on a lot of ideas, but using fallacious arguments is never helpfull.
I say you aren’t free from consequences and you assume alot.
Just stop.
You’ve conceded my point because you are trying to argue semantics.
There are consequences associated with the freedom of speech.
Everything you’ve said doesn’t contradict it but supports the basic argument I made.
You really seem miffed due to the fact that I can just say with accuracy that you know there are consequences related to free speech.
What you interpret as me changing sides is just me agreeing with the relevant arguments you make.
You are the only one assuming my thoughts here. All I am saying since the beginning is that your argument doesn’t contradict op’s meme. It is not a false statement, I never said as such, it simply doesn’t contradict it, and using it to imply that op is racist is the issue at hand.
Freedom of speech does protect hate speech, that’s an issue with it, and it merits to be discussed. Every right comes with drawbacks, and closing the discution in favor of circlejerking is never a good idea.
On that note I’m getting tired of this discussion too, so I’ll stop there. Once again, I do not have a grudge against you or your ideas, I just hate seeing falacious arguments beeing aplauded all the time, but I guess that’s unavoidable on social medias, no matter which. Have a nice day, and ty for this conversation.