• zarp86@sh.itjust.works
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        When you draw the line of Liberal v Conservative so far to the right it includes George Bush, it ceases to lose all meaning.

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        8 hours ago

        That is all accurate and I don’t disagree with you. But the picture was of an invasion under Bush, not Clinton, so I responded as such.

        The problem that I take is l:

        Also all American politicians of “both” parties are liberals.

        I’m wondering what your definition of Liberal is. Up until like 2020, it was Liberal v Conservative and when I look it up in the dictionary I get “Relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.”

        But Liberal on Lemmy appears to be anything to the right of a theoretical Star Trek post scarcity utopia.

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          The internationally recognized measure of left-right. Not the uniquely American one that’s skewed all to fuck.

          There is no left at all in American politics. The closest we’ve gotten is Bernie Sanders. He’s a moderate everywhere but here.

        • Both parties in the US share an ideological commitment to capitalism and function as a uniparty to manage the empire. From the CIA Wikipedia

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

          Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, the right to private property and equality before the law.[1][2] Liberals espouse various and often mutually warring views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion.[3] Liberalism is frequently cited as the dominant ideology of modern history.[4][5]: 11

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

          This has some good aspects and is an improvement from the monarchies that came before it but he clear problems that Marx brought into question in the 19th century. As capitalists have progressed, liberalism in the US particularly has become neoliberalism which is not something communists want and is a precursor to fascism. Liberals fight socialists and communists to maintain their private property and capitalism.

          If you are talking in the context as an American of that ridiculous farce of a government “liberals” means the Democratic party, to an anarchist outsider, they are all liberals. I do not believe in or support private property or market economies and think they come in direct opposition to economic and political freedom.