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      Democrats do actively pass progressive reform, so who is really being duped? You who lets emotions and propaganda control your political outlook, or people who actually attempt to fight back by electing Democrats?

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        The biggest threat the progressive polices is the lefts inability to recognize their being played, not by the Democratic Party but by the media who baits them into blaming the party for things it cannot control.

        The easiest mark is the one who thinks themselves too smart to be a mark.

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          You guys can’t be serious. When the Democratic Party throws up their hands and says “it’s out of our control” instead of actually fighting for progressive reform, you actually believe them? After everything we’ve seen? What will it actually take for you to realize the Democrats aren’t fighting for us?

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            Either you’re part of the party or you’re not. It sounds like you are not. Good luck with that.

            There are many powerful people that do not want the progressive agenda to succeed and they are more than happy to play us against each other.

            They are already in the head of anyone they believes this is the democratic leadership and it’s hard to accept anyone who refuses to acknowledge that on any level is truly of a progressive mindset.

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              The right accuses the Democrats of being radical left socialists, and the Democratic leadership responds by moving to the right. The powerful people you refer to - who do not want the progressive agenda to succeed - are the democratic leadership themselves. They work in tandem with those on the right to sabotage the efforts of progressives to gain power in the Democratic Party.

              So yeah, I’m not part of the party, not by my own choice but because the party doesn’t want me. If you are truly of a progressive mindset it doesn’t want you either, but honestly it seems they’ve successfully tamed the progressivism within you.

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    As an outsider, I’d like to remind you 'muricans that you don’t have a democracy, much less a democratic party. You have two big groups that are kept afloat by big money in need of “favors”

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      This must be one of the nicest ways I’ve ever seen someone call a group of people morally bankrupt whores without using any of those words

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    We’re never going to badger the current DNC corporate shills into working for the people… They’ll need to be replaced before we can hope to stop the ratchet effect and start making real change

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        First step is making a place everyone can access and start collecting information… Any idea how to do that? I’m afraid I’m mostly tech illiterate

        2nd step: we need to map out who actually gets to vote for DNC leadership/membership

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          Citizens United was upheld in a 5:4 voted by a conservative scotus in 2010, to overturn campaign finance laws written and passed by democrats in 1995 and 2002, and dems actually tried to put back in place some campaign finance regulations with H.R. 1 For The People Act.

          In fact, they passed it twice in the house, only for it to get blocked in the senate by Republicans both times.

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    Just to be clear, it isn’t up to DNC committes or legislators to defeat MAGA. That’s our job. We have to go out and convince people to vote for the Democrats. Independents sometimes, too. We need to remove Maga from congress by defeating them in elections, us the citizens have to do that shit.

    Stop blaming the solution for the problem we’re making, WE need to DO THIS. This is OUR JOB.

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    Yeah the American flavor of left actually enables facism. Sadly it’s the same thing you see in places like Germany, UK, Canada, and France. France is relatively better.

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    Abstentionists: *Don’t vote for Dems*

    Dems: *lose the election*

    Dems: *go further right in an attempt to attract more voters*

    Abstentionists: *surprised Pikachu*

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      I cannot believe that the democrats have completely disregarded the lead-up to, the years of the trump presidency, and everything that has followed.

      One thing has been starkly and objectively true - republicans place party before country. Even if it hurts them or flies in the face of everything they claim to believe in, they’ll still vote republican. They have internally equated being a democrat to being lower than a pedophile, lower than a felon, lower than a nazi.

      So no matter how far right the democrats attempt to go, the conservatives absolutely don’t give a fuck. They will set themselves on fire before they vote democrat. The Democratic Party needs to stop wasting time on them.

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        Abstentionists will damn themselves and everyone around them on principle. Shitty inconsistent principles at that. I’m angry about that, outraged even. But surprised? Baffled? In disbelief? Never. Dumb fucks ruining everything is just the way of the world.

        This is an affirmation of your conclusion, btw. The DNC are stupid, as is the RNC base, as are abstentionists.