Every minority should be armed
Make it clear to every Trump supporter that their fascist rhetoric leads to us shooting them in self defense.
Tell them to snap out of it and confront reality when they clutch pearls about you fighting back.
So it’s only okay for republicans to taunt their guns.
FYI there’s an organization called the Socialist Rifle Association. They’re kind of like a very inclusive version of the NRA I suppose. I found out about them through a short documentary on youtube called Arming the Left.
I was really hoping for something more impressive than a sticker.
Something more like the Hello Kitty AR-15?
Yes! Guns deserve more colors than black, blued steel, and wood.
It’s so pretty! 😻
Edit: Oh, I thought I was in noncredibledefense. I’m not normally this shitposty about guns, I promise.
carbinecute bean
Looks like just some trans tape wrapped around the mag.
Sweet. Sounds based. Let’s do more of this.
As an American…fuck yea!
Incredibly based
People: please do not carry an AK. Just get an AR. ARs have interchangeable parts, ammunition is cheap, and aside from Bear Creek Arsenal, they’re going to just work. AKs require significant hand fitting and there’s no single standard, ammunition prices have risen sharply since the cheap milsurp ammo flow got cut off, and at the cheaper end they tend to be dangerous to the user. Yes, I know that AKs have a reputation got working in adverse conditions, but that reputation dates to the Vietnam war, when the AR was a new platform; modern ARs are far, far more reliable and accurate than an AK.
You can still get an AK for fun, but don’t don’t treat it like your serious gun.
I have a buddy who did gun repairs, he fucking hates AR-15s. If you want a gun that ticks all the boxes, get a 12 gauge shotgun. It’s a cheap, widely available platform that has cheap and widely available ammo, it just fucking works, it’s easy to care for, easy to use, pretty standard maintenance, and will kill what you need it to. They’re lethal much further out than video games imply, because otherwise they’d completely wreck the balance of the game.
Edit: I asked him for his specific beef with ARs, this was his response.
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They’re a bitch to clean. There’s lots of places that need to be cleaned that can’t be reached easily, tons of little pockets and grooves you can’t get into; requires a dental pick, star shaped cleaning patches, and a shit load of cotton swabs to get through.
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If it’s locked up, you can’t knock on the charging handle or emergency kick the charging handle to clear it. You will not be able to field strip this rifle if it’s jammed out of battery.
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Aluminum gas blocks are apparently very popular, and they will corrode to failure at the gas tube port.
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The extractor pin will often shatter in place, which causes intermittent failure while not looking wrong unless you know what you’re looking for.
If you want a gun that ticks all the boxes, get a 12 gauge shotgun
Disagree.
First, ammo starts at a minimum of 44cpr for 00 buck. Second, unless you get mag fed shotguns–which have their own problems–you’re getting a maximum of about 7 rounds. Third, if you’re talking about pump guns, it’s pretty easy to short stroke one in a high-stress situation. Gas guns are a different matter, but they’re pickier about ammo. Fourth–again, unless you have a mag fed shotgun–reloading is not nearly as quick and easy as it is with any firearm with a magazine.
If it’s locked up, you can’t knock on the charging handle or emergency kick the charging handle to clear it.
You mortar them; that usually gets it. I’ve had to do that a few times.
Yeah, a detail strip and clean is a bastard. But you don’t really need to do those very often. A field strip and clean is sufficient most of the time.
A couple things I have to note, also as someone that used to do gun repairs and basic gunsmithing for a shop back in the day:
- They are a bitch to clean, but the right tools can make it a lot easier. Get a boresnake, proper cleaning solvent and lube, patches and brushes, both brass and regular brush. Watch a youtube video and learn how to properly clean it. Pop out the two push pins and field strip it and cleaning it is rather easy. For the upper run boresnake through with solvent and patches until clean, then run it through again with lube. EZ.
(Also learn to clean or at least do a half-ass clean if time is a problem after every range visit, we got so many firearms that looked like they hadn’t been cleaned in years and were always a real bitch to take care of. My personal favorite was someone upset that we couldn’t magically restore his “5 years in a garage in Florida humidity in a duffel bag never fired or cleaned” that was rusted and pitted to hell, and that it couldn’t be brought back to factory new for 30 bucks 😂)
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I haven’t personally had this happen to me, but also range use will vary wildly from combat use so I can’t speak on this too much.
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They are because aluminum is very popular for manufacturing. If taken care of properly, this won’t be an issue. See above that most people don’t clean and maintain theirs properly lmao
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Skill issue. Memes aside a good quality BCG is important for this reason. More people need to learn how the parts work on their build and change out parts as necessary if they are having issues with certain parts of it.
The range of a shotgun kinda sucks, though, right? Amazing for home defense though, especially if you don’t have acres of land.
Not really, no. It’s true that you aren’t going to be sniping anyone with a shotgun, and it’s also dependent on the shot you’re using, but shotguns are used to hit ducks in flight, turkey, and deer (among others), which are all usually going to be a bit further away than your average hallway. Generally, birdshot is worthless for people outside of very close range; I once ran a call where someone got shot with birdshot from across the street and they might as well have been hit point blank with an airsoft gun. If that had been buckshot or a slug, they would have been completely fried. The tradeoff that you do with shot is that a finer shot will have a wider and denser cloud of projectiles, but each of those projectiles has less mass (and therefore momentum) for penetrating power. Buckshot is basically throwing a handful of (smaller) old school ball shot at whatever you’re pointing at, and whatever you hit is going to have a bad time. I personally prefer the heavier 000 (triple-ought) buck to 00 (double-ought) buckshot, but either works great. A slug is going to have the best range and penetrating power; at close range, a slug will defeat any non-ceramic body armor, and people wearing ceramic are still going to be very unhappy. Of course, a slug also requires the best aim, because it’s just one solid chunk of metal. in either case, I would say that shotguns with buckshot and slugs are entirely appropriate for personal defense in or out of the home, and urban combat.
If you want a gun that ticks all the boxes, get a 12 gauge shotgun. It’s a cheap, widely available platform that has cheap and widely available ammo, it just fucking works, it’s easy to care for, easy to use, pretty standard maintenance, and will kill what you need it to. They’re lethal much further out than video games imply, because otherwise they’d completely wreck the balance of the game.
Yeah, with a 12 gauge shell of 00 buckshot, every pull of the trigger is almost like mag dumping a 9mm handgun in that direction. Very destructive very quickly at indoor distances, a little bit of wiggle room with the aiming m, and less risk of overpenetration than something like a rifle or a big caliber handgun.
A 12 gauge pump shotgun is actually the only firearm in my house(in the US), and I got it over 30 years ago. I kind of want to get a 9mm handgun, but it doesn’t feel like an immediate need given the shotgun.
Your buddy may have an unfounded bias against them, as AR-15’s are in general extremely reliable, and don’t require much maintainence or cleaning for the most part, especially since most people don’t practice all that much.
A shotgun is a great choice for defense though, and often is a better choice than an AR.
They’re a bitch to clean.
No they’re not. They tear down easily without tools. I can’t think of a part that can’t be cleaned easily. Maybe the gas tube?
If it’s locked up, you can’t knock on the charging handle
There’s a button called a forward assist for that specific purpose.
Aluminum gas blocks…
Milspec blocks are not aluminum, he’s complaining about after-market, non-standard mods.
The extractor pin will often shatter in place,
I’ve seen this on cheap BCGs. It’s annoying, but it’s easily fixable and won’t render the gun useless. You’ll just have to manually clear it.
No they’re not. They tear down easily without tools. I can’t think of a part that can’t be cleaned easily. Maybe the gas tube?
I would guess they’re talking about a very complete cleaning? But that’s kinda true of any gun. Basic cleaning of an AR15 is not that complicated.
There’s a button called a forward assist for that specific purpose.
Eeeehhhh, never press that button. It’s a joke the Army played on itself.
While you did answer the question, it is better to clear a jam by pulling back on the charging handle, possibly while also mortoring the buttstock. Hitting the forward assist is just as likely to make the jam worse. (This also counts for AKs, this isn’t an AR only thing)
Some newer ARs don’t come with forward assists anymore, sometimes to prevent people from making jams worse, but usually cause they’re for sport and if your rifle malfunctions in a way that needs a forward assist, you can just take the L and get off the range to solve the issue.
Regardless, if you hit the forward assist, just make sure you’re in a position that this might be the last round you can fire without doing some maintenance.
But you are correct, ARs are as popular as they are for a reason. They’re reliable, easy to get parts for, and ammo (while expensive) is just about everywhere.
Thanks for the context. I was never interested in owning an AR myself, not to mention that it seems to me like they’re way overpriced due to a lot of them being glam guns. He did it for a living for years, so I took him at his word.
No problem. As an owner of a fully-custom glam gun, I recommend building a shitty one first to learn what breaks and what doesn’t.
That’s where AR15s shine. You can build one pretty cheap and it’s workable. Cheaper than any AK you can buy in the US.
If you want all the tacticool glam bling, you can do that, but it’s excellent the without all that crap.
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This is such a weird take. AKs also ‘just work’, most people will never have to hand-fit anything on an AK, and ammo prices for AK are at parity with ammo prices for AR. The cheapest end of anything can be dangerous to the user, so again that’s another non-point. The majority of people aren’t going to see a major functional difference between the two, it comes down to personal preference.
The gun you’re actually describing is the AR-10
Wut? AR-10s have different competing standards, and tend to be strangely finicky. (I’ve got an AR-10 in 6.5CM; it’s really picky about ammunition.) The AR-10 was never adopted by the military; I think that you’re thinking of the M-14.
AKs also ‘just work’, most people will never have to hand-fit anything on an AK
That’s because it’s going to come assembled (hopefully). But if you ever need to replace a part? Good luck, because you’re going to need it. OTOH, when I replaced the barrel, hand guard, trigger, BCG, etc. on my rifle, it was all very much plug-n-play.
ammo prices for AK are at parity with ammo prices for AR
They most definitely are not. Ammo prices for 5.56x45mm NATO start as low as 23.7cpr, if you’re willing to shoot reman; if you want new, then 30.5cpr. Ammunition for 7.62x39mm starts at 38.9cpr, and that’s steel case bi-metal bullets. If you want brass cases, they start at 45cpr. That means that a single 30 round magazine costs about $9.15 for an AR, and $11.67-$13 for an AK.
The majority of people aren’t going to see a major functional difference between the two
If you mean the majority of people that buy a rifle and then never use it, sure. If you’re talking about people that actually go out and shoot, you’re definitely wrong.
An easy example is ballistics. I have a 50/200y zero. I have to aim low and 100y by about 2", and at 500y I’ll have about a 45" holdover. My LPVO has hash marks for ranges, and it’s mostly right. An AK variant usually has a 25y zero; at 500y, your holdover is at least 80", and as much as 120", depending on the ammunition. You aren’t likely going to find too many LPVOs that have holdover marks calibrated for an AK, so you’ll probably be eyeballing it with a red dot and a magnifier. You can make hits out to 500y with an AK, but it’s going to be a lot harder.
Plus ARs are cheaper.
That too.
I think that I originally paid about $550 for my S&W M&P 15 Sport 2 (although not many parts are original anymore); you can get a perfectly serviceable Palmetto State Armory AR-15 for $450. An AK is likely going to start at around $700.
As someone much more clever than I said, the real transgender AK is the AR that’s chambered in7.62x39mm.
I completely agree with everything except the bit about Bear Creek, I can’t talk shit when my 300blk upper from them runs well 😂
I mean, nobody wants to admit that they
ate 9 cans of ravioliown a BCA, but I do and it’s actually been surprisingly nice.Okay memes aside, if buying BCA/PSA tier bottom bin parts know how to inspect them and make sure that they’re good quality. With any firearm purchase actually give it a good look over, clean and prep it, know how to do little things like sanding down a feed ramp with a little bit of time and sandpaper (youtube is great for this). Don’t just buy something planning to just shove it in the closet and not do any sort of work or prep or testing it at the range because if you do that, it’s going to be a lot worse if you need it to work and it doesn’t :)
I understand some people might look away from the AR-15 because it’s the gun everyone has which takes away from the cool factor, or maybe you just dislike its connotation due to high use among right-wing folk, but this person speaks the truth.
AR-15s are common because they work. Customizations and spare parts are cheap, effective, and widely available. So are good magazines, which are typically a shockingly difficult part to design well and the place where many otherwise decent guns fail. .223 Remington has one of most varied supplies of ammunition on the market, beaten only by things like 12 gauge.
Don’t buy weird shit until you own one of these (or at least a pump-action 12 gauge ffs).
It’s always best for civilians to adopt the guns of the local military, for various reasons.
ARs are common because the US military and NATO use them.
Same reason sig Sauer pistols are popular.
Popular is not the same as “superior”.
Once the US moves off the AR platform, so will all the gun nuts.
I say this as a former armorer who got to see why ARs might not be the best choice.
AR-15s are popular because there’s a single standard, and all the parts made should fit that standard, and more-or-less work. I can buy a barrel from any one of ten or more manufacturers, and I know that it’s going to fit on my receiver (although I might need a different gas tube). You can’t do that with a Ruger Mini-14, you definitely can’t do it with any of the fuck-knows-how-many AK variants. ARs do have their own shortcomings it’s true, but all rifles have shortcomings; the AR-15 platform does a pretty good job of balancing the competing needs and desires.
True, but primarily, because NATO wants them in a certain spec.
Again, once the US military switche from it, then so will everyone’s opinion.
I don’t think that opinions will necessarily change even if NATO decides to use a new rifle. Even if the US and NATO eventually adopt the Sig XM7 in 6.8x51mm, AR-15s will still be cheap, ammo plentiful, and they’ll all still be on the same standard. (Plus, the 6.8x51mm cartridge is a real barrel burner; if you’re a higher volume shooter, you’ll get maybe 5000 rounds out of it before accuracy is shot–pardon the pun–to hell.) But, we’ll see. So far the design has stuck around and been refined for over 50 years. Hell, people still use the 1911, and that’s over 100 years old.
Nobody cared about the ar-15 unyil it got banned snd then unbanned.
No lie! They’ve been available to civilians since the 60s. They weren’t popular because they’re not the best in any particular class. But they’re easy and don’t kick.
Sure, but also wheelguns were also considered more reliable and better than semi autos at the time.
AR ban expiration came around the same time as people were getting more used to gucci guns and mods.
There were a lot of other guns that got unbanned at the same time. The AR platform just happened to be ready for a resurgence right around the time that the expiration.
Also easier to work on than most guns.
Also just a note:
high use among right-wing folk,
Is because
it’s the gun everyone has…they work. Customizations and spare parts are cheap, effective, and widely available. So are good magazines, which are typically a shockingly difficult part to design well and the place where many otherwise decent guns fail. .223 Remington has one of most varied supplies of ammunition on the market, …also easier to work on than most guns.
Of course lol. This “the right wingers like it so boo” mentality some (not you ykwim) have is bonkos, they also like water y’know?
Also easier to work on than most guns.
That’s a great point and it’s unfortunate I didn’t think to add it.
This “the right wingers like it so boo” mentality some (not you ykwim) have is bonkos, they also like water y’know?
lmao I know what you mean. Conservatives grow and eat tomatoes too, we going to stop eating those now?
Based.
Its time to make good on those death threats Chaya keeps getting
And a Defend Equality sticker on the stock! Super based. This person has an open invitation to all my backyard cookouts next summer.
I remember when conservatives turned against guns because the Black Panthers armed themselves against racists
That’s when American gun control began in earnest. Like many things, the authoritarian approach is rooted in racism.
The Black Panthers and the insuing riots after the murder of MLK got blacks the right to vote. And led to the first sensible gun laws in US history.
Nothing meaningfully improves until the rich fear for their lives.
This is a historical fact for our Republic
Your facts are wrong.
can’t explain how
Try looking up when “blacks” got the right to vote, and then maybe what the Civil Rights Movement was actually about, russki.
It sure as fuck wasn’t “riots after MLK’s assassination”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_assassination_riots
The King assassination riots, also known as the Holy Week Uprising,[2] were a wave of civil disturbance which swept across the United States following the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. on April 4, 1968.
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Dr. King had campaigned for a federal fair housing law throughout 1966, but had not achieved it.[36] Senator Walter Mondale advocated for the bill in Congress, but noted that over successive years, a fair housing bill was the most filibustered legislation in US history.[37] It was opposed by most Northern and Southern senators, as well as the National Association of Real Estate Boards. Mondale commented that:
A lot of [previous] civil rights [legislation] was about making the South behave and taking the teeth from George Wallace … This came right to the neighborhoods across the country. This was civil rights getting personal.
The assassination and subsequent riots quickly revived the bill.[38][39][27][40] On April 5, Johnson wrote a letter to the United States House of Representatives urging passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1968, which included the Fair Housing Act.[31] The Rules Committee, “jolted by the repeated civil disturbances virtually outside its door,” finally ended its hearings on April 8.[41] With newly urgent attention from White House legislative director Joseph Califano and Speaker of the House John McCormack, the bill—which was previously stalled that year—passed the House by a wide margin on April 10.[25]
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For some liberals and civil rights advocates, the riots were a turning point.
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The assassination and riots radicalized many, helping to fuel the Black Power movement.[42]
In after the rise of the Black Panthers and the increased unity caused by the death of MLK the movement rallied together and kept pushing which led to integration the right to vote.
As for calling me ruzzian, fuck you drag. I’ve seen you around here and you’re always spitting some dumb bootlicker shit.
Grow a spine, grow up
Lol, yeah, that’s what I’m known for, advocating peaceful protests and centrist positioning.
Your comment proved me right though, GJ on that?
Cya around, orc bot.
It’s almost like guns are the answer to solving problems in relation to oppression.
I’m pretty anti-gun despite being on the left, but I think I’ve seen
this personher at protests before and if anyone’s gonna have a gun I’d prefer it be her over anyone else.I’m in favor of regulating guns, and I feel like keeping one on my person / in my living space actually increases my risk of injury. However, I also think it’s a good idea to know how to violently resist if necessary. (I have shot pistols, shotguns, and rifles before.) And, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for people of any political persuasion to have access to armaments in case they need to “fertilize the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants”.
I’ve read that having a gun in your house does increase your risk of being shot. That being said, I understand that having guns helped groups like the Panthers keep their communities safer. I don’t think they’ll help us most of the time in resisting a dictatorship, though. If we beat the fascists, I think more of it will come from sabotage, mass strikes, etc, as opposed to shooting.
It’s all about timing.
Having guns makes you less safe when you don’t need them
Most gun owners believe that those statistics don’t apply to them. I believe they do apply to me (since I do live with a gun owner).
I agree that resistance is unlikely to primarily take the form of infantry combat, but it wouldn’t surprise me if some communities do have to repel an armed force, which will be much more difficult without at least some community members having access to and proficiency with small arms.
Yeah, that’s fair. I usually don’t talk gun politics anyway because of all the insurmountable issues the US faces, that’s probably the most insurmountable.
I believe once you tease the causes behind the stats apart… you’ll find most leftists work to ameliorate those issues.
Like firing pin buddies was something I first learned about in the SRA. Not my hunting club.
And the no booze or intoxicants in use while firearms are out of cases.
Etc etc
That is awesome. I have always felt pretty real sure that Guthrie’s guitar has never actually killed fascists
You never know, could be a decent blunt instrument
I don’t think he was claiming to have literally beaten a fascist to death with a guitar, but you never know with that guy.
According to the Behind the Bastards about Guthrie (they always do a Christmas episode about a non-bastard), it was a standard thing to put on machines used to build stuff for the war.
I’d be armed if my wife wasn’t so leery about firearms. She and my father-in-law are part of a ethnic minority that is specifically targeted by white supremacists and my state has active Nazi and Third Position groups. Given the way shit’s going, I want to be prepared for anything.
The only things that ever slowed the Nazis down was Russian winters and getting shot, and we’re all out of Russian winters.
you should have a discussion about it, see if her views have changed since the election.
Shits scary outside right now, wishing you the best of health ❤️
