There was commodity production in the USSR, yes. That was not the basis of the economy. The basis was on industrialized publicly owned production.
You don’t really make any points regarding this mysterious “ownership class,” just a snide remark about worshipping Marx.
You keep asserting that the Proletarian state was the instrument of oppression of the Proletariat, but make no points as to how or why. Moreover, you make the unjustified claim that the State somehow is Capital, which is fundamentally confused.
Moving on to your next point, the idea that central planning is somehow antithetical to Marxism, I ask why you believe ownership means it cannot be planned by others. Central Planning is a necessity for fully publicly owned economies. Furthermore, the withering of the state can only happen once all production is folded into the public sector at a global scale, and happens with the degree to which production has been collectivized. Government and the “state” are separate, the State is a tool of class oppression while government remains a necessity for administration.
The fact that Marxists correctly point out that Marx was not an advocate for a horizontalist system and instead for full public ownership and central planning doesn’t make this wrong.
Either way, you’re correct that Marx and Engels are not prophetic, which is why Marxism-Leninism has been refined and continued over the many decades by subsequent Marxists like Lenin, and much has been learned through the real existence of AES states. You keep asserting inflexible dogmatism as the core of your complaint when the people you complain about don’t actually exist, just strawmen that haunt you.
There was commodity production in the USSR, yes. That was not the basis of the economy. The basis was on industrialized publicly owned production.
You don’t really make any points regarding this mysterious “ownership class,” just a snide remark about worshipping Marx.
You keep asserting that the Proletarian state was the instrument of oppression of the Proletariat, but make no points as to how or why. Moreover, you make the unjustified claim that the State somehow is Capital, which is fundamentally confused.
Moving on to your next point, the idea that central planning is somehow antithetical to Marxism, I ask why you believe ownership means it cannot be planned by others. Central Planning is a necessity for fully publicly owned economies. Furthermore, the withering of the state can only happen once all production is folded into the public sector at a global scale, and happens with the degree to which production has been collectivized. Government and the “state” are separate, the State is a tool of class oppression while government remains a necessity for administration.
The fact that Marxists correctly point out that Marx was not an advocate for a horizontalist system and instead for full public ownership and central planning doesn’t make this wrong.
Either way, you’re correct that Marx and Engels are not prophetic, which is why Marxism-Leninism has been refined and continued over the many decades by subsequent Marxists like Lenin, and much has been learned through the real existence of AES states. You keep asserting inflexible dogmatism as the core of your complaint when the people you complain about don’t actually exist, just strawmen that haunt you.