Oh yeah! That too! Flick the bean!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12343597#%3A~%3Atext="We+noticed+that+URLs+from%2Cor+the+Bing+Search+toolbar.

Think this covers it but i havent got time at this moment to read through it.

Do your access rules work in both directions? Do you have any strange routing going on? Do you need to configure a static route for the returning traffic?

Sorry, knowing very little about your setup means i can only suggest vague possibilities based on networks i work with.

I cant hear you, I’m looking at porn!

Remember when they proved that bing was just providing google search results?

Like it straight up sent your search query to google search and fed back the results in the bing skin.

Wow, internet is expensive where you are. I pay £28 (about $35) a month for 1gig up/down in the UK.

Go and get checked for sleep apnea.

This was happening to me alot. Waking up multiple times a night, desperate for water, like, pints of it, then do a big wee and back to bed.

I started getting issue with staying alert and awake in the day, i was dozing off in work meetings (not fully, but like when your head dips and just jolt awake again)

If you dont have it, then great, mark that off the list.

If you do have it, get it dealt with because it’s bad for your heart as your body uses adrenaline to wake you when you stop breathing and leaving it untreated shaves years off your life.

If you let it go too far you can be suspended from driving and all sorts until you get it under control.

And if they are saying that, it makes me even more stupid for not thinking of that joke. :)

In the uk “bean” is slang for 'head"

Meaning you are calling me stupid…

Which i suppose isn’t really an insult, as its true.

I feel like you are so close to realising why your argument is rubbish.

AI is absolutely a good tool. But only for people who understand what they are doing already.

Its good to help you with arduous tasks but you need to be able to review what it does with knowledge and experience or you wont understand what it gets wrong.

I use it in my job to help me to write large access lists. If i give it the parameters, the addresses i want to give access to and in what ports and protocols etc it can dump a hughe ACL and i can review it and correct any errors i find.

If i didnt know how and ACL was written, didnt know the correct syntax and didnt understand where it should be placed i could very easily apply a dodgey ACL to a live network and fuck things up for everyone.

You keep saying you need to learn how to use it and then its fine.

But its not. You need to learn that its mostly dumb and you need to scrutinise everything it does.

I am reminded of an argument i had years ago about people relying on google to do their jobs.

I argued that using google to give you the answer to a problem doesn’t help you in the long run. Instead of understanding the solution and being able to use that understanding to solve problems in the future, you just become dependent on google to get you through the day.

It is much more important to learn why a solution fixes a problem and the steps you take to understand the elements of the solution. It opens more doors, and you learn how to use your brain.

Both thinking and googling will get people far, but if google ever went away, only the thinkers would survive.

This is happening again but this time its AI.

The funny thing is, the people who made google search, and the people who created AI, are likely the thinkers.

Better off leaving this guy to be a hateful idiot mate. He hasn’t said one thing of substance in the entire argument with you. He hasnt answered any of your questions in his entire tirade of insults, he is being consistently ignorant and hypocritical.

Is it really worth your time.

Everyone here can see who is in the right. The up and downvotes paint that picture just fine.

Shit! You are right. Thats horrible. And explains why he freaks me out.

• I have not independently verified the gallon usage of my car.

That’s you. In your original post.

You haven’t tested this yourself.

You explocitly stated i your original post that the combustion engine is not affected by different weather conditions like an electric motor. But now you claim the weather being different is why you have not done the test yourself. But also its because of how far you would have to drive and not actually because of the weather.

You consistently contradict yourself.

So no. I am not telling you how you ran your own test

YOU FUCKING TOLD ME, YOU ABSOLUTE CREATURE!

You haven’t said what trim you have… so no… of course, i dont… wow.

You ha e quoted a combined mpg when we are discussing the fuel only mpg. so that is actually useless…

And once more… you have not driven this car on pure fuel so you and i are in the exact same position… you owning the car doesnt change that… at all.

Sheesh. Listen to yourself. Instead of kicking off about stats you dont have and insulting people how about you look at your attitude and your reported stats and consider drawing appropriate conclusions.

You cant use your own personal tests with electric and toyata testing with fuel and compare them in your conclusion. Those are two separate sources of data.

Stop ignoring this i have said it so many times.

It doesnt stop being true because you dont want to acknowledge it…

Yes, you are arrogant.

You admitted to not running the test. Toyota dont claim 48. They claim 52. Unless you have the XSE or XSE premium model and not the SE.

If you are getting better stats than the manufacturer, then something is wrong with your test because they get those numbers in absolute perfect conditions and with very specific settings in the car, allowing them to maximise the mpg.

Yes, you are biased. You are reporting higher stats on the fuel and lower stats on the electric than toyota report. And you got and still are super pissy that people are arguing with you about it.

I understand my position. I dont own the car, so i have done research and looked at toyata reported stats as well as real owners stats and aggregated the results to come to a conclusion. That is more reliable than one persons individual experience. Especially when that one person hasnt done enough fuel only testing (which you stated plain as day) but wants to draw a conclusion from that.

Do you understand your position here? You haven’t done enough testing and are posting information to help other buyers make a choice about a purchase. It’s not enough data and may be wrong. So you are potentially causing others to make a poor decision on car purchase.

It absolutely is the fault of your methodology. Your method was to rigorously test the electric but use toyotas claimed stats for fuel. That’s the method you used to test each engine. That’s poor methodology. Using the manufacturers’ stats is closer to hearsay than you might want to admit.

You also bring up the weather conditions again. IT IS LITERALLY IN YOUR ORIGINAL POST where you say that the combustion engines are not affected by weather conditions. So do the fucking test!

Frankly, i can contribute as much as you since we both havent tested the fuel only capabilities of thos car. frankly i think you are a little man child who cant take a lick of critisism and would rather resort to insults than accept when you are wrong. Frankly i think you need to stop being aggressive towards me and the other poster and go and drive you car to get some actual stats.

You haven’t run fuel tests. That was the whole point of the argument.

Ok soni saw 30 to 42 you saw 45 to 63

Lets take an average with the numbers we have.

30 +42+45+63=180

180÷4=45

So 45mpg… less that what you used to calculate your costs.

Dont tell me to bugger off because i haven’t done tests when you have also done no tests on fuel.

I know somethi g that will piss you off.

I drive an electric car.

It costs me 7p (about 9 cents) per kwh to charge.

It cost me £11.68 (about $14.89) to charge last month and i get about 3-4 miles per kwh.

I travelled 487 miles last month from the 1st to the 30th.

It cost me 2.4 pence (about 3 cents) per mile to drive this car.

American miles are the same as british miles

And i pulled the mpg data from american sources so your gallons are the same.

So despite your findings, my electic car costs less than your hybrid to run.

But i doubt your data is accurate, so thats fine.

I dont own a prius prime. Bit more difficult for me to test it. However after some research i can see many people claim on pure fuel they see mpg ranging for 30-42 mpg.

Only when combined with electric do they see 50mpg and above.

So based on this i would say your numbers are wrong.

Again. They aren’t baseless. He has rightfully stated that the data you based your whole post on is likely wrong. Meaning your conclusion is likely wrong. You aren’t able to address this as you say you are too busy to carry out the test.

You want them to take it back. Do so.e research, and prove them wrong. Otherwise, stop shouting.

All due respect my dude. Have a good day. Dont let this ruin it ( im sure it wont)

Ok, so you look for other test data, then right? You aren’t the only person with that car who has tested it, surely. You aggregate that data, you work off an average, and if it’s almost or exactly what the manufacturer is claiming, then you are good. If it’s quite different than that claim, then you know the data is unreliable, and therefore, you dont draw conclusions based on that data.

You dont need to do 4 hours of testing yourself. If there is other data out there, you can take an average.

Or actually, maybe you should do 4 hours of testing before submitting your results. Maybe that’s just being thorough. Maybe it’s not actually that long and can be done as a part of your normal driving.

And hang on, you said in your original post that liquid fuel engines dont have the same problem of being affected by weather. So why are you now claiming the temperature changing is going to affect your fuel results?

And just to address this, you are rightz you dont owe me or that person any answers, assuming that we dont make a valid point. You made the claim in the begining based on your testing these are the results, that person disputed your results, based on faulty input, so now you do have to address this and come back with more rigorous testing and results to make a claim that gas is cheaper than electric (in your area)

otherwise, what use is your data? It doesnt help people choose the right car if you cant verify the accuracy of the data and it doesnt say much about the peraon carrying out the tests if they freak out the moment they are challenged on their results.

I am serious about what i am about to say.

Dont respond to me. Come back in a week when you have had long enough away from this. I bet you won’t even be bothered to respond by then. This won’t matter then. That person won’t matter then. You are just angry and are getting worked up.