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I entirely agree, except I don’t think it has anything to with maximizing profits for Facebook. If it did, then the logical thing to do is whatever gets the most people on the site the fastest, not do something that instantly alienates a massive amount of people. It does have everything to do with maximizing profits for those in charge of running the Facebook show, though. Then it makes perfect sense to align the company with whatever political regime can promise the most bloody money for the new yacht and underage ‘entertainment’.

Also, I genuinely think the Zuck gets off on being a slimy little cunt and is probably really excited right now. Facebook has always been a little too quick to go down the scummy road, even for capitalism.

Honestly didn’t know Facebook even had a fact-checker system. They are pretty explicit in their mission to sow discord and disinformation, it’s basically their whole business model

Keep going, you got this, friend. With enough bullshit you might say something that makes sense . . . someday. I believe in you

Who ever said anything about leaving? I’m starting to find the weird little logic loop you’ve stuck yourself in to be rather amusing. Not sure what you’re blabbering on about now, though, friend

OK, buddy (friend, lol)

I have tried. There is only one assumption left to make about you. We have gone way off topic and I’m done wasting time letting you talk us in circles. You have made up your own mind of who you want to be, enjoy your sad little world, friend . . .

Dude, you are the only one creating the narrative that I don’t want to know what you have to say. I have directly said otherwise repeatedly, I’m like a broken fucking record with you. You are the one that refuses to listen here, not me. I say that you are clearly scared because that is the only logical conclusion I could draw about you from this interaction at that time. I then pretty much immediately followed that statement up by saying it only seems that this is true. I have never definitively determined anything about you (though now I might call you a fucking idiot, but that isn’t very productive, so lets move on), and the only time I kinda did, I literally handed you an opening to refute me on silver fucking platter. You chose to ignore me until it suited you.

As for why I have ignored the environmental impact point, I have told you twice now but it seems you only read the parts that make you feel high and mighty. So I’ll waste time saying it again, you brought up a point that was, from my perspective, completely tangential to the original argument. You then proceeded to assume what my position on the matter was like it would somehow hand you the win to a fight only you thought we had. I found this to be immature and counterproductive (And also exactly what your currently trying to accuse me of, might wanna check yo self on this one, buddy. Street goes both ways.), and I said as much, while in the exact same sentence, offering you a chance to link the point to your argument in a meaningful way. Again, you chose to ignore me until it suited you, not the other way around.

I don’t know anything about you, I have never pretended to know you, and never I will never pretend to know you. All I’m trying to do is ask, if you want me to know something, you need only answer me. This is on you if you won’t read my words for what they are and want to perpetuate this dumb idea that I don’t want to talk to you. All I want to do is have an interesting conversation, but so far you are too thick-headed to participate. Have a good day, friend, and I hope you learn to grow as a person someday.

Yeah, I’m discovering that AI is one of those no-no topics in this particular echo chamber. Disappointing really, this whole thing is a lot more fun when people actually want to talk instead of just following the crowd. It is in the name I guess, lol.

I wonder why that is?

Um, kinda yeah actually?

For some reason I still don’t believe you.

Then you are a lost cause, my friend. I have tried my best to be open, it’s disappointing that you are not and have proven yourself unwilling to learn. I hope you find some way to adapt before AI is a part of functionally everything and only those that figured out how to safely use it have any chance at a job.

That scrutiny is exactly what I’m getting at when I say we need to learn how to use it. AI is really powerful, but is so incredibly far from being the magic bullet that people think it is. It is just a tool that needs to be applied carefully and responsibly, of course only the people that understand what they are doing are going to succeed. My argument is that we need to be building that understanding and sharing it as widely as possible so that even more people can use the tools properly. And, yes, that means check the fucking output, use your brain instead of replacing it.

I think you have no real argument which is why you are now only attacking my character. If you have a point, I would like to see you reiterate it into as clear of words as possible, exactly what you have been trying to convey. No arguments, no pissing match, no ego, just say what your trying to fucking say. Once we have both done that, then maybe we can have a productive discussion wherein we can both learn something and possibly understand the world a little better.

I’m sorry you feel that I don’t want to hear you. All I can say is that I do actually, genuinely want have an open friendly discussion and learn about your perspective here. I have not declared anything with certainty about you that can not be gleaned from this discussion. (Perhaps I have misinterpreted some of your words, but the same can be said of you, so lets restart on that front) You are clearly are at least somewhat scared of something, from where I’m sitting it appears that you are scared of AI. But you fight me when I suggest as much, so now I want to know why your scared or what your real concern is. Again, I’m sorry if this sentiment has felt false, I really do want to have a discussion, not a fight.

When have I indicated that I am not wary of AI? I’m just not scared of it the way you clearly are. Wary should mean be cautious and learn, not shove your head up your ass and hope it the problem goes away (This is literally my only point, stop reading more into it). I recognize that there are good and bad parts of AI. I also understand that AI is utterly inevitable and avoiding it only means the ‘bad’ stuff gets to win and we don’t get to enjoy any of the ‘good’ stuff. The only way we get to have any of the “good” stuff is if we learn how to use it first.

I very much DO want to know what your argument is (If not, then why the actual fuck do you think I’m still here?), but you have yet to say anything meaningful to that end. Sure, you say lets be wary of AI (never disagreed here), but it seems to me that you only want to run away or destroy it, and you never really try to back up why that is a valid way forward. If you can link the environmental impact of AI to that argument, then I am genuinely happy to listen. You have something meaningful to say, I know you do, I’m just waiting for you to be clear about what exactly it is.

Your argument is that I shouldn’t use AI because it might negatively impact my career? That’s not much of an argument considering that is a personal choice with personal consequences and I’ve been refuting that claim this entire time, it’s literally why we are here. Everything you have said since has effectively boiled down to “AI is bad because people get hurt”. Which is completely valid and I have agreed with this point at every single step here. Our conflict arises from having differing opinions about how to deal with the impact of AI as well as the balance between good/ bad that all things, including AI, exist within.

So, again I ask, what exactly is your argument? What is the ‘truth’ you are trying to convince me of? I believe I have made my ‘truth’ pretty clear in multiple different comments. Now I want to know yours, perhaps we have more common ground than you think and we don’t need to conflict.

Also, I did in fact comment on the environmental impact of AI. I told you I was choosing to ignore that point because I find the way that you brought it into the conversation to be childish and unproductive. It also has nothing to do with the correlation between the use of AI, careers, and the integration process of AI. Environmental impact is an engineering and sustainability problem, not a moral or ethical one. Different problem, different discussion.

Nothing about this is black and white, that’s my whole fucking point.

I’m curious what your actual argument is as I suspect even you don’t know what it is beyond “AI Bad”, which from my perspective is the only real black-white argument here. I’m perfectly happy admitting that AI can be bad, I have said precisely this many times now. I’m suggesting that avoiding AI because of that ‘bad’, is a stupid waste of time and doesn’t actually help anyone find solutions the to bad stuff. Burying our head in the sand like this only makes us avoid the problem until, oh wait, its a huge fucking problem and now people are actually getting hurt. Lets face the problems head-on, lets figure it all out together, lets learn instead of hiding.

OK, fine. Jobs are getting destroyed because AI is the greatest evil in the universe and the only solution is make memes about it scream thats it’s going to kill us all. The kids are all gonna be too dumb to think and AI is going to run everything. No one will be able to live normal, productive lives ever again. The world is ruined!

Or.

AI is bunch of tools that can be used to solve some really weird problems and/ or make life easier and less stressful overall. But also AI is really powerful and can very easily be used in the wrong way and be really dangerous so we as a species need to learn how to use it safely before a bunch of people get seriously hurt. The world is gonna have a few hiccups, but eventually people will figure shit out and move on because AI is never going away and will only ever become an increasingly important part of our lives.

Which of these scenarios actually makes sense? Look at history and think of Occam’s razor. Is AI actually evil, or is it just a thing we have created (and literally cant uncreate at this point) and now have to figure how to deal with? Is AI really worth being scared of (remember, its a permanent part of this world now), or is it better to learn how to coexist with AI and find ways to reduce the harm and destruction that it absolutely can cause.

What I’m trying to get you to understand is that this isn’t the death of anything, not really. Though it can certainly feel like it, especially right now. This is just the growing pains that goes along with literally every single major advancement in human history, and we always have this same exact unproductive argument. Yes, people get hurt along the way, but that is exactly why it is our collective responsibility to learn properly and mitigate as much of the damage as possible, being scared is never the way to do that. This isn’t the doom of society. It’s simply the dawn of a new version of society.

Continue being scared and wither into obscurity, or learn to adapt and thrive with what is inevitably going to be an integral part of our lives, career or not. The choice is really yours alone, but I want to see everyone succeed, including you and anyone else that reads this garbage.

Also, the ecological impact of AI is an entirely separate discussion, and I would appreciate it if you didn’t pretend to know my stance on the matter to support your arguments. If you want to have that discussion, we can, but not like this.

First, we are discussing careers, not individuals. No shit people are losing jobs, but guess what, that is exactly what happens when careers evolve or new ones are created. Every. Single. Time.

Think about when precision machining was invented, when printing presses where invented, when cars where invented, when computers where invented, when the fucking internet was invented, etc. Yes, a fuck-ton of people were suddenly out of a job. But then suddenly there are also a whole bunch of brand new jobs and careers to fill. People either learn to adapt and fill those roles, or they don’t, and they get left behind. AI isn’t really any different except that it is happening right now and it’s therefore hard to see what’s to come.

That’s just how the world works. It’s sad and frustrating, I know, but being scared and hiding your head in the sand doesn’t change that fact. Learning how to live and thrive with the new stuff does, though, so maybe let’s try that instead.

Second, and this isn’t to discount everything you linked, but you understand that there is a huge bias going on here, right? People are understandably scared about the future, and the media latches onto that fear and creates articles that feed the narrative beast. But often times, the articles completely neglect to talk about the other side of the coin, which is what we are discussing here.

This right here is the big, glaringly obvious problem with AI, especially in academics. But, it’s also exactly why this whole issue isn’t really a big deal as long as long enough people learn to use AI correctly. Those that don’t learn and fall into the trap of easy solutions and laziness will always, inevitably fail as soon as they get to the real world and must then either learn or fade into obscurity. Those that do learn how to utilize AI will find far more success and will hopefully be able to pass on their skills and knowledge. Thus, the system, given enough time, kinda corrects itself eventually. It’s just a bit dangerous until then, hence why we need to teach and learn rather than fear what’s coming.

AI is not replacing much of anything, not yet anyway. It is evolving and forcing the world to evolve with it. While AI is used to write notes, summarize content, generate content, integrate data, organize life, etc., all of that still requires input of some kind from someone. Careers are going to be all about performing that input and interpreting the result. People will not be replaced (except the ones that refuse to keep up), they will just fill a different role.

Also, “taking the time to learn to use it” takes all of what, a couple of days of reading at most if you want it to do something really unusual? We’re not talking about advanced coding here.

You clearly understand nothing about AI if this all you think it is. Sure, anyone can type a prompt and get a garbage result in about 30 seconds, but there is a hell of a lot more to it if you want to actually solve a real problem using AI. Learning advanced coding isn’t actually a bad idea for the future.

Maybe you can understand a different perspective if you stop thinking of AI as gimmicky solution and start thinking of it as what really is, a powerful set of tools meant to make finding the solution easier, nothing more.

AI is quickly becoming an integral part of basically every career imaginable. Those that actually take the time to learn how to use it properly are going to inevitably be in a far better position than those too scared to figure it out. The real challenge is finding the balance between using AI as the tool that it is and just getting an easy answer (which, considering all the downvotes I’m getting, is probably the part yall are justifiably concerned with). We need to teach the world (ourselves) how to use AI, not avoid it, and run away like we keep doing. This cat is out of the bag and ain’t never going back.