I realized why i fucking hate tankies. They use the same debate tactics as alt-rights but its not even a clear divide as technically theyre on your side.
Thanks for coming right out of the gate raving about tankies so that everyone can just discard your opinion without wasting any time. Maybe participate in good faith. Ask for books reccomendations to educate yourself. Or just keep using the liberal version of “everything I hate is because of woke” and remain ignorant forever. Up to you champ.
I am literally educating myself and thats ehy i noticed. It not this post in particular but after binge watching a bunch of far-right debate tactic videos and coming to lemmy i connected the dots that tankies use the same tactics as far-righters. Im not saying that leftists (or whatever the correct term right now for me is) dont use it just that after alt right its tankies that use them most.
You are literally talking out of your ass. If you were to educate yourself then you’d start out by asking questions and you wouldn’t try to be evasive when challenged.
What you are actually doing is being a smug debate lord acting in bad faith, and if you could at least own up to it then we could all have a mucb more pleasant interaction.
What did you watch, Innuendo Studios’ How to Radicalize a Normie series or something? I find it kinda funny that you’re being so vague about what exactly it is that bothers you about ‘tankies’ as opposed to other leftists because I’m pretty sure a lot of the people you’re arguing with aren’t Marxist-Leninists or anything. It’s giving shadowboxing vibes.
If you think watching youtube and “connecting the dots” of forum comments is educating yourself you are even more ignorant than I had assumed. That is honestly pathetic. Learn history from reputable historians. Become familiar with even basic Marxist economics. Things that are actually meaningful and enlightening unlike poorly thought out youtube videos that primarily exist to hunt for low effort clicks. Even when trying to explain how you’ve educated yourself you leave out the most important part which is actually learning anything about the subjects that you now want to talk about. You’re just cruising on pure vibes.
Edit because I hate people talking about debates. There is nothing to debate, you are just propagandised. Debating you would be like debating a climate denier.
Why would i not use the words totalitarian and authoritarian. Describe doctor without the word help. You would just substitute it with something else or more general. A tankie is literally someone who believes in authoritarian communism with the style of russia or china. As for propaganda, are you saying that russia and china themselves spread propaganda that makes them look bad? Because as someone who grew up in eastern europe ive seen what russia does with my own two eyes, specifically ive seen what an authoritarian dictatorship does, doesnt matter if its capitalist or communist. My problem is not with your economic system but the way you are enforcing it. As for a fact i believe china and russia 100% are not communist and just call themselves that. The only difference between the us and china is that in the us the business owners controll the politicians and in china the politicians controll the business owners. Still leads to the concentration of power.
A doctor is someone who is learned in the knowledge of treating the sick. See, its actually easy when words have meanings.
I asked you not to use authoritarian and totalitarian because both words are devoid of meaning, functioning only to signify something bad or nefarious.
You have also wrongfully defined tankie even though you broke the rules.
As for propaganda, are you saying that russia and china themselves spread propaganda that makes them look bad?
I know I use big words, but I believe in you buddy! You will be able to understand the text, maybe ask a grownup for help.
We so far have “authoritarian communism” and “authoritarian dictatorship”. This is really funny.
My problem is not with your economic system but the way you are enforcing it.
Happy to hear you also is against capitalism. I am also against how it is enforced. I must assume that is what you mean when you talk of my economic system, since that is the one within I exist.
As for a fact i believe
Lmao, that’s a great bit. Anyway neither Russia nor China claims to be communist, but we’ve been thru this - you are uneducated. It’s really surprising with Russia though, seeing as how they don’t even claim to be socialist or working towards communism.
The only difference between the us and china is that in the us the business owners controll the politicians and in china the politicians controll the business owners.
I’m happy to see you’re still able to visit Reddit, even after all the issue with the API and so on. There’s actually a lot more differences including where they’re located geographically, how you spell the names of the countries, who the president is, how people vote, how many people are in prison and for what reason, how many dogs the cops shoot, how stupid the average netizen is.
Anyway if you want to be taken seriously figure out what a “tankie” is, define authoritarianism and totalitarianism. Bonus points if you manage to use a source that’s not Wikipedia (that’s a discussion that’s a bit too advanced for you, we’ll take that one another time)
Straight up no one would call the Russian Federation communist I have no idea why you keep saying that. As for China, try to learn something today and read this
A tankie is literally someone who believes in authoritarian communism
How could you achieve communism or socialism without authoritarianism? Do you believe in revolution? Is a revolution not the most authoritarian process imaginable, the forced imposition of a new reality by one class unto another?
How could you achieve communism or socialism without authoritarianism?
Same way the Neozapatistas have done? By actually showing your system is better, and letting people join your movement. And allow them to leave, if they desire.
I realized why i fucking hate tankies. They use the same debate tactics as alt-rights but its not even a clear divide as technically theyre on your side.
can you explain what you actually disagree with? and are the tactics in question just using wojaks and being a little rude sometimes?
Thanks for coming right out of the gate raving about tankies so that everyone can just discard your opinion without wasting any time. Maybe participate in good faith. Ask for books reccomendations to educate yourself. Or just keep using the liberal version of “everything I hate is because of woke” and remain ignorant forever. Up to you champ.
I am literally educating myself and thats ehy i noticed. It not this post in particular but after binge watching a bunch of far-right debate tactic videos and coming to lemmy i connected the dots that tankies use the same tactics as far-righters. Im not saying that leftists (or whatever the correct term right now for me is) dont use it just that after alt right its tankies that use them most.
You are literally talking out of your ass. If you were to educate yourself then you’d start out by asking questions and you wouldn’t try to be evasive when challenged.
What you are actually doing is being a smug debate lord acting in bad faith, and if you could at least own up to it then we could all have a mucb more pleasant interaction.
What did you watch, Innuendo Studios’ How to Radicalize a Normie series or something? I find it kinda funny that you’re being so vague about what exactly it is that bothers you about ‘tankies’ as opposed to other leftists because I’m pretty sure a lot of the people you’re arguing with aren’t Marxist-Leninists or anything. It’s giving shadowboxing vibes.
If you think watching youtube and “connecting the dots” of forum comments is educating yourself you are even more ignorant than I had assumed. That is honestly pathetic. Learn history from reputable historians. Become familiar with even basic Marxist economics. Things that are actually meaningful and enlightening unlike poorly thought out youtube videos that primarily exist to hunt for low effort clicks. Even when trying to explain how you’ve educated yourself you leave out the most important part which is actually learning anything about the subjects that you now want to talk about. You’re just cruising on pure vibes.
You are uneducated.
Edit because I hate people talking about debates. There is nothing to debate, you are just propagandised. Debating you would be like debating a climate denier.
Why would i not use the words totalitarian and authoritarian. Describe doctor without the word help. You would just substitute it with something else or more general. A tankie is literally someone who believes in authoritarian communism with the style of russia or china. As for propaganda, are you saying that russia and china themselves spread propaganda that makes them look bad? Because as someone who grew up in eastern europe ive seen what russia does with my own two eyes, specifically ive seen what an authoritarian dictatorship does, doesnt matter if its capitalist or communist. My problem is not with your economic system but the way you are enforcing it. As for a fact i believe china and russia 100% are not communist and just call themselves that. The only difference between the us and china is that in the us the business owners controll the politicians and in china the politicians controll the business owners. Still leads to the concentration of power.
A doctor is someone who is learned in the knowledge of treating the sick. See, its actually easy when words have meanings.
I asked you not to use authoritarian and totalitarian because both words are devoid of meaning, functioning only to signify something bad or nefarious.
You have also wrongfully defined tankie even though you broke the rules.
I know I use big words, but I believe in you buddy! You will be able to understand the text, maybe ask a grownup for help.
We so far have “authoritarian communism” and “authoritarian dictatorship”. This is really funny.
Happy to hear you also is against capitalism. I am also against how it is enforced. I must assume that is what you mean when you talk of my economic system, since that is the one within I exist.
Lmao, that’s a great bit. Anyway neither Russia nor China claims to be communist, but we’ve been thru this - you are uneducated. It’s really surprising with Russia though, seeing as how they don’t even claim to be socialist or working towards communism.
I’m happy to see you’re still able to visit Reddit, even after all the issue with the API and so on. There’s actually a lot more differences including where they’re located geographically, how you spell the names of the countries, who the president is, how people vote, how many people are in prison and for what reason, how many dogs the cops shoot, how stupid the average netizen is.
Anyway if you want to be taken seriously figure out what a “tankie” is, define authoritarianism and totalitarianism. Bonus points if you manage to use a source that’s not Wikipedia (that’s a discussion that’s a bit too advanced for you, we’ll take that one another time)
Straight up no one would call the Russian Federation communist I have no idea why you keep saying that. As for China, try to learn something today and read this
https://redsails.org/losurdo-on-china/
How could you achieve communism or socialism without authoritarianism? Do you believe in revolution? Is a revolution not the most authoritarian process imaginable, the forced imposition of a new reality by one class unto another?
Same way the Neozapatistas have done? By actually showing your system is better, and letting people join your movement. And allow them to leave, if they desire.