• vegantomato@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    I haven’t read the article. Maybe they were just saying “more children are needed and we’re doing our part”. I’m not sure of this is really about them being arrogant. It could be either or.

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      You don’t have to go out of your way to defend things that are putting a nice veneer on eugenics.

      And for the record, if you read the article it’s clearly about them being arrogant and generally absolutely fucking weird. “If more people like us don’t have children, the world will stop seeing innovation and economic prosperity. It’s very important that the right people reproduce.”

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        “If more people like us don’t have children, the world will stop seeing innovation and economic prosperity. It’s very important that the right people reproduce.”

        I have now read the article, and what you just quoted is nowhere to be found. I would really like to know where you found the text you quoted.

        In fact, neither the article nor the interviewees defended eugenics, at all. They even addressed the issue explicitly near the end of the text.

        I’m not defending these people, or saying that they are saints, but there was no indication that they were supporting eugenics. To the contrary, they spoke against it.

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          They “spoke out against it” while saying and doing things that are literally the definition of positive eugenics.

          “In other words, positive eugenics is aimed at encouraging reproduction among the genetically advantaged, for example, the eminently intelligent, the healthy, and the successful. Possible approaches include financial and political stimuli, targeted demographic analyses, in vitro fertilization, egg transplants, and cloning.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

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      I haven’t read the article

      Maybe they were just saying

      I’m not sure

      It could be either or

      If only there was a way to find the information you’re missing

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        I have now read the article, and it does indeed seem like this narrative was unfounded and I was right. I could not find any support for eugenics in the article, and the interviewees even spoke against it explicitly.

        You should read the article yourself, it’s actually quite insightful.

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    This couple and really anyone who learned about evolution by watching Idiocracy: if intelligent parents are needed to make intelligent babies, from where did intelligence first arise?

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    Having worked in public policy for several years, the 26-year-old Londoner had come to an alarming realisation about the future of the UK, the world – and the human species.

    She’s 26?

    What is “several” defined as here? 2? 3?

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_and_Malcolm_Collins

    Well that’s just a fucking trip of dysfunction.

    Just that bit is a lot.

    If the population declined and it makes the economy do less well, won’t people just have more children like they did the last time the economy was in that state? Every environment has a carrying capacity for the creatures that live in it. It’s not uncommon to see fluctuations above and below that equilibrium point.
    Instead of pushing people to ignore the factors that cause the limit in humans, like not wanting or needing more children, maybe find a way to organize society so hitting that limit doesn’t cause massive problems, or try to eliminate some of the factors creating the limit. It’s insanely difficult in our society to have even one child who’s healthy, cared for, and prepared for their adult life while also being personally healthy, prepared for old age, and enjoying the variety of pleasures of existence.

    • Lumelore (She/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      I just read their wiki page and it is absolutely filled to the brim with crazy wacky shit.

      The Collinses do not support transgender health care for youth, but express acceptance for people whom Simone described as “legit trans” as opposed to those who fall into the “trans cult.” Simone opposes allowing transgender students to use bathrooms corresponding to their gender identity and to play on sports teams matching their gender identity.

      As a trans woman, this stood out to me. I’m not surprised that they are transphobic, but why make the point about “legit trans” and “trans cult?” I assume they consider “legit trans” to be the tiny percentage of transgender people who are right-wing nuts and the “trans cult” are those who aren’t. Basically they’re just saying “We only support transgender people who want their faces eaten” which is a strange way of phrasing it since usually transphobes tell all of us to go fuck ourselves, including the dumb ones that support the leopards.

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        It’s probably more like they can’t deny the reality of trans people, but they think that it’s a very tiny minority and the rest are just cultists.

        You see this same fallacy with autism. Why are there “suddenly” more autistic kids? It isn’t because vaccines are giving them autism or something like that. It’s because doctors know what to look for to diagnose now.

        People fall into this same trap with trans people, because 20 years ago it was extremely rare to meet an out trans person. So, now it looks like they’re suddenly everywhere! What could be the cause? A trans cult recruiting people?!

        No, it’s a cultural shift. Damn, people can be stupid sometimes.

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          That’s a really good point. It’s not an evident thing from my perspective because being transgender is so normal to me that I don’t know if I would have ever even thought about that.

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      Bla bla managing director bla bla Investor Peter Thiel. OK, I’ve read enough. Yet another Thiel apprentices.

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      I encourage everyone to read the entire wiki page as well, and it will make sense why they are the way they are.

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    8 hours ago

    Those inverted commas around ‘elite’ are doing so much work they should probably unionise.

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    And two more incestuous generations later you end with something like Elon Musk.