Get ready for a bunch of unskilled people making the shittiest apps imaginable.
And I wonder how easy it will be to get Claude to create malware with just a few prompts…
Good luck with that, bud.
I wonder how well & fast that is going to age for the maintenance of those “app”
Ha! « CityTv » immortalized in that gif!
We don’t care about professional coders any more. You know, the people making all these “breakthroughs” we are so happy about.
As a developer I always enjoy asking these clowns why anybody should buy their products when AI will soon allow consumers to build these apps themselves, which is just a logical progression if you don’t need coders to create software.
I know of course that this isn’t going to happen anytime soon. It’s wishful thinking from their part and it shows a complete lack of understanding both what LLMs can and cannot do and what it takes to design and implement anything bigger than a batch script.
I feel like this could be (opinion) the reason why Devin is trying to charge $500/mo for their tool. They know they only have a limited time window until a general-purpose agent from OpenAI/Anthropic/Google/… can directly do everything their product does. So they have to make their money while that gap in capabilities still exists.
My take: It’s either not going to happen at all (which is what I would place my bets on tbh) or it’s going to be something that only megacorps like Google or Microsoft can offer due to the enormous requirements of such a system, which would make most of those AI companies redundant, not just their devs.
I mean, project managers have been not caring about professional coders since way before the current LLM hype.
Do I smell pump and dump?
The AI coding company had moved its headquarters out of San Francisco in April, went through layoffs in May, and has seen its headcount cut in half, to about 65 people.
Don’t think I can take a failing company that seriously. Making outrageous statements sounds like a cry for help more than anything else.
Isn’t layoffs his point?
No, the layoffs are due to our overwhelming success! Surely it’s not because we are struggling.
If it wasn’t for his claim that he was using AI instead of people, you’d have a point.
His success is making more money for himself, not creating a better product.
What happens if someone (OpenAI) makes an LLM inject spyware into the code? Who would be able to read the code and figure that out if you have no coders?
You wouldn’t even have to reach as far as malware. All software has bugs. To think that AI will produce perfect bugfree code because “it’s a computer” is laughable. So inevitably there will be a need to debug the code, across servers, filesystems, databases, APIs, you name it. In tens if not hundreds of thousands of lines of code, which might even be compiled. Surprise, an LLM can’t do that.
Black hat hackers are drooling at the thought.
I have a novice programmer friend who created an app with authentication with AI. It used create-react-app (deprecated for years now) and had him roll his own OAuth layer manually with Express. When you refresh, you get logged out.
It’s an awesome project to learn some skills, but only a seasoned programmer would know to never roll your own auth, or to not use CRA, etc.
We are in for some interesting times.
Should be a nice salary boost for developers in a year or two when all these companies desperately need to rehire to fix whatever AI slop mess they have created.
And I hope every developer demands 2x their current salary if they are tasked with re-engineering that crap.
Bold of you to think there won’t be a recession
I’d go further and demand that the team I’m hired for re-write the app completely and not just re-engineer it from the AI slop codebase.
tbh that’s probably going to be cheaper
You sunk cost fallacy, plus even worse is the unknown unknowns buried in a codebase no current dev (human or not) built.
Like when they stopped trying to Outsource to India or other places where the labor was extremely cheap. But all the code that came back from it was useless and had to be Rewritten by the remaining software engineers still at the company anyway. They’ll never learn. They’ll simply find a new anti-worker efficiency to Chase.
But during a shory period of time,managers could force workers to stay late and overwork themselves without pushback.
/s
I have no idea what this company is…who this person is…and by the looks of it, I’ll never need to.
Replit is an in browser IDE. I met the founder once at a tech event. He struck me as a little arrogant.
Yeah, OK. I just watched a complete novice ask ChatGPT how to go through installing node, pip, and creating a react app (of course ChatGPT being of 2021 suggested CRA). After 2 minutes, his confidence was soaring. And then he tried to run the react app and ran into an issue that required 2 days of troubleshooting for him to resolve. (When he asked me about it I told him he could have just deleted the file and moved on.)
So, yah, just let the CEO type in the code into the magic box, what could go wrong.
pip? What would that be used for
Sometimes I serve apps with Flask, he wanted to get into some python as well
Reads like a puff piece.
That’s because the tech industry has a deep vested interest in this type of bullshit succeeding. So it’s always presented as the most awesome thing ever. Did you see the not-a-sex-robot presented at CES this year as if it was basically human rather than a freaky uncanny valley Realdoll? Even the guy who they had do the video was clearly having trouble keeping a straight face while he praised it.
https://www.thegamer.com/i-cant-stop-laughing-at-the-175000-girlfriend-robot-from-ces-aria/
So that’s where all the new jobs are going to come from after the economy goes to shit because of climate change, oligarch hubris, etc.!
They are going to pay the unemployed people pennies an hour to humiliate themselves by dressing as robots and doing all sorts of menial tasks for them. It’s going to be like Sleeper meets Gone With The Wind.
(I’m joking at this point, but this could make a good plot for a dark sci-fi comedy.)
Get ready for a bunch of unskilled people making the shittiest apps imaginable.
We currently have skilled coders making the shittiest apps imaginable, due to shitty direction by management.
And this will make those apps look amazing in comparison.
Ahh, replit. Wanna know how to completely destroy your service, community, workforce and reputation in less than a year? Ask them.
I used to use replit at the height of its popularity. If any of you know what Glitch was, it was like that but way cooler.
You could program in virtually every programming language, write Discord bots, make games, talk to people about coding and get viral from your programs. It was basically programming but with social media and with extremely easy to use text editor and theme support basically made Replit the #1 place to program on the Internet.
Then, the AI boom happened. And replit wanted quick cash immediately. So they up their subscription prices slightly with Replit Agent, basically ChatGPT but for programming. They then removed their school system, and decided to stop virtually all community support. Now a lot ot the top projects were AI based but at least you could progran right? Not anymore.
Halfway through 2024, Replit decided to kill the platform in one fell swoop. They restricted all free users to only 3 projects, 1 GB of storage and severely throttled CPUs as well. This made the replit userbase tank. They removed all community features and essentially ghosted everyone. Anyone with a brain abandoned replit and just programmed on their own computers.
It’s so sad what happened but hey, at least replit made people who would never program once in their lives programmers through ease of use and social factors.
And all they had to do was not be completely idiotic and greedy.
This clickbait headline has been making the rounds for a few days now. Replit’s CEO is not saying that AI has “replaced” professional coders, he’s talking about their company’s target market.
It’s like a website provider making tools to simplify website creation for small businesses so that any mom-and-pop store can have a basic website, and saying “we’re not aiming these tools at professional website authors.” They’re simply not trying to occupy that niche.
Get ready for a bunch of unskilled people making the shittiest apps imaginable.
Those apps have their place. Why shouldn’t an “unskilled” person be able to make some little tool that does some specific task they need done? I’m a professional coder and I make “shitty little apps” all the time for throwaway tasks. I think it’ll be empowering for the average user to be able to do that sort of thing too.
Obviously, don’t go buying such apps and installing them on your own phone or whatever. That’s where professionals still have their place.
Why shouldn’t an “unskilled” person be able to make some little tool that does some specific task they need done?
The problem isn’t that they’re going to use it for themselves. The problem is they’re going to either try to make money with it or do some black hat shit that this will help facilitate.
(Also, saying to us that it’s obvious not to buy it doesn’t really matter considering the huge number of people out there with smartphones and no idea how any of it works.)
The problem is they’re going to either try to make money with it or do some black hat shit that this will help facilitate.
And then they will fail at it, because that’s not what these tools are for. I don’t see why this is a problem.
If someone is asking you “hey, I want to use this Replit thing to build a competitor to Amazon, I have an MBA so I’m sure I can do it. Want to invest?” Then by all means try to talk them down off the ledge or make sure you’re far enough away to not be in the splash zone.
But this is someone saying “I want to make tools that non-experts can use to do productive things.” I think it’s not fair or reasonable to oppose that. Making computers more accessible and generally useful to the public is a good thing.
