Year of the Linux Desktop Fediverse!
Side note, DAE find calling them “normies” kinda icky? It’s like straight outta 4chan
power users/businesses: “you can’t go VIRAL on mastodon”
Regular Users: “yOu HaVe To PiCk A sErVeR???”
I think that it was less: let’s find alternatives, than it was _fuck you government TikTok isn’t Chinese enough _. It was a direct answer to the government telling us which social media apps we were allowed to use. Also, 100% avoidable if they’d passed data protection instead. It really felt like the government enforcing private interests on its citizens.
Americans typically don’t like the government telling us what to do. It’s all fine if Facebook buys all the competition, but it’s another thing when the government makes the competition illegal because they won’t sell to zuck or musk.
Honestly, Redbook was sort of neat. I doubt it has much staying power as it was really just a protest, but it was sort of a historical feeling moment.
I don’t think you can localize to a language. You localize to a region, you translate to a language. Localization goes beyond mere translation, they are different concepts.
We call both localization, because what you’re doing is branching out controls, formats, and such to a locale, which is not necessarily a location or a region. You could have en-us, en-ca, en-us, en-uk, en-au, en-sp, or you just have en to translate it to English and call it a day
Not to tech bros, they were to hungover from their sketchy frat bro ragers full of men hoping to get lucky and commit sexual assault to pay attention in that one humanities class they took freshman year.
Language studies are an obsolete profession to them, the future they have built is bullshit all the way down, there is nothing left to study other than the language of utter incompetency and proud willful ignorance steeped in chauvinism which they eminate like a 2005 vintage Abercrombie & Fitch mall store eminated vapors of shitty cologne.
Not that I disagree with the sentiment but in most software systems localization does not just mean translation either. Localization as a practice includes date, time, and number formats, preferred units of measure, language and dialect, and sometimes a few other things. I’m not saying localization or translation are done well, or that the Big Tech companies give any shits about it at all, but its not as though computer professionals are all entirely ignorant of these distinctions.
I mean I take your point but again you are just describing the technical details of localization. The little fiddly bits that can be automated and neatly dealt with by a computer or person with an accountant’s mindset for making sure little things plug neatly and cleanly into other little things. Any concept of “localization” that does not include careful consideration of the vast territory of nuance that surrounds the much easier technical details seems useless to me in the context of solving any actual real world problem.
When it comes to the actual hard parts about localization I am fairly certain almost every computer professional I have ever met or talked to does not understand them. The more successful a computer person is in their career the more they tend to think everything in the world functions like computers and thus they don’t need to try to understand alternate systems or phenomena that don’t adhere to their narrow tool belt of critical thinking strategies that can’t handle even a homeopathic amount of ambiguity or subjective nuance.
These types of people spend all day thinking in programs and then go home and play factorio and they think they are the smartest people in the entire universe, and they are idiots. Very very skilled idiots.
Very very skilled idiots.
On that–and as a highly skilled idiot myself–we fully agree!
The adage “social problems don’t have purely technological solutions” is something I’ve known for years yet must continuously remind myself of and reintegrate it for new issues.
It’s a shame the old vision of computer specialists integrated into empowered teams building bespoke solutions never really came to pass. Not enough profit in that model, when mass market slop is so lucrative.
It’s a bit akward to respond to that, since I did a Master’s in CompSci, lol. At least I can distance myself from that massive burn a little by saying that I was the akward virgin type and didn’t like the machine learning courses I had to take.
Language studies seem fascinating to me, I always found the stuff my sister was doing in her studies pretty interesting. A friend of hers was even trying to become an interpreter, that sounds so difficult.
OK but my wife is actually excited by how it lets her see Chinese experiences
This is fine. I don’t want mainstream users. I want niche weirdos.
Fediverse fanboys when they realise that their obscure and socially complex software isn’t know by many people specially outside of the tech bubble, and that it’s not the same experiences that they will get with their known platforms:
known platforms
I seriously doubt that people ‘knew’ about some random app that isn’t even translated all the way.
If the app was elevated as a point of protest, then people only knew about it because it went viral recently.
Lemmy was also briefly elevated during the Reddit exodus.
The obscurity and social complexity is the whole reason I’m here haha. My hope is that even if/when fedi apps become the standard, we’ll still have ways to curate ourselves into small corners as that’s just way nicer.
Yep that’s addiction it’s hard to recover.
I don’t think there are any experiences on the fediverse right now that are comparable to TikTok. Loops is still beta, isn’t it? If Reddit was banned and people clocked to some Chinese forum I could agree with this meme.
Love your avatar. I miss Netscape. Not that I remember it being awesome or anything. Just nostalgia.
Compared to Internet Explorer it certainly was awesome, as I recall.
I remember just feeling cool for using something different than everyone else.
Kind of uncomfortable how my other tech choices map onto this logic. Linux, vim, fediverse, … Am I a dickhead?
No, having a liking for things that aren’t mainstream, in itself, doesn’t make you a dickhead.
Being a dickhead makes one a dickhead.
Yeah, same. I sort of vaguely remember it as a kid. I had this saved on my computer from somewhere and saw it while making my Lemmy account. What’s cool is that it is actually animated on some platforms.
You mean they signed up for an app that actually works and generates a feed for you vs one that doesn’t do either of those things?
No, I think they mean “Well, fuck. The thing I liked is being taken away, and here’s where everyone else is going, so I should do that, too.”
That’s just my interpretation, though.
Sadly, yes
exactly
You’re missing the important factor of the cultural zeitgeist
People who flocked to RedNote weren’t just going there for an alternative to TikTok
They were specifically going there because the US government said “you can’t go on the Chinese App!” so they said “Oh yeah? I’m gonna find an even MORE Chinese app to hang out at!”
Then decades of sinophobic propaganda melted. It was amazing to watch.
Red note just added a feature that lets you translate any comment to English (or presumably the local language of your phone number) . Online reviews and Airbnb have done this for a long time. It’s a simple yet amazing feature, one that will really remove barriers to appreciating different cultures. I would love to have it here so that everyone can speak their native tongue and others could appreciate it. I always want to know what the French and German communities are up to (those are the most common other languages I see).
Browser plugins can do that.
Even worse; they flood the internet with „china actually kinda based“ posts. Orientalism is back and nothing changed
In art history, literature and cultural studies, Orientalism is the imitation or depiction of aspects of the Eastern world (or “Orient”) by writers, designers, and artists from the Western world. Orientalist painting, particularly of the Middle East,[1] was one of the many specialties of 19th-century academic art, and Western literature was influenced by a similar interest in Oriental themes.
Critical studies
Edward Said
In his book Orientalism (1978), cultural critic Edward Said redefines the term Orientalism to describe a pervasive Western tradition—academic and artistic—of prejudiced outsider-interpretations of the Eastern world, which was shaped by the cultural attitudes of European imperialism in the 18th and 19th centuries.[20] The thesis of Orientalism develops Antonio Gramsci’s theory of cultural hegemony, and Michel Foucault’s theorisation of discourse (the knowledge-power relation) to criticise the scholarly tradition of Oriental studies. Said criticised contemporary scholars who perpetuated the tradition of outsider-interpretation of Arabo-Islamic cultures, especially Bernard Lewis and Fouad Ajami.[21][22] Furthermore, Said said that “The idea of representation is a theatrical one: the Orient is the stage on which the whole East is confined”,[23] and that the subject of learned Orientalists “is not so much the East itself as the East made known, and therefore less fearsome, to the Western reading public”.[24]
In the academy, the book Orientalism (1978) became a foundational text of post-colonial cultural studies.[22] The analyses in Said’s works are of Orientalism in European literature, especially French literature, and do not analyse visual art and Orientalist painting. In that vein, the art historian Linda Nochlin applied Said’s methods of critical analysis to art, “with uneven results”.[25] Other scholars see Orientalist paintings as depicting a myth and a fantasy that did not often correlate with reality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalism
Yeah i dont think that people saying “China is kinda based” are trying to appropriate chinese culture from the perspective of a culturally and racially superior western hegemonial empire. Quite to the contrary actually.
I swear some people think Westerners expressing any interest in anything Asian at all ever, or thinking an Asian country does something better than their own, is orientalism.
Culturally and racially superior?
The self impression of the imperial empires at the time. The kind of thinking that justified genocides, slavery and robbery with “but we bring them culture”
In terms of ethics and culture i would say most places in the world to have been far better developed than European imperialists.
What is the one on the left anyway?
Fedivserse logo, thats lemmy, mastodon, sharkey, mbin and all the other decentralised social medias.
While I like the logo, I also realize that the logo also evokes blind hatred from people. Unfortunately, you only have to mention the color scheme, which for many is like a declaration of war. Sick world
Is the sky woke? There’s a rainbow in it.
Sometimes
I like rainbows. I don’t know what all woke is because it feels like it’s everything republicans/MAGA/right-wing/anti-democratic/etc. use to defame something and direct hate towards it anyway. But as I said, it’s just a feeling… I don’t know what it’s really about.
it feels like it’s everything republicans/MAGA/right-wing/anti-democratic/etc. use to defame something and direct hate towards it anyway.
That’s exactly what it is.
It’s just colors, if colors evoke blind hatred in someone, I likely wouldn’t want them around me anyways. It looks to me like an interlinked web of different nodes. Which seems to be a pretty accurate representation of the hosting and federations.
Well, blind, stupid hatred from e.g. anti-woke, MAGA or the growing right-wingers all over the West. Just need to have as many colors as a rainbow and there is the connection to LGBTQA+ with said blind hatred. Now of course you can say you don’t want these people around you. But unfortunately there are more of them and they are taking over the leadership of the countries in the West.
If someone is so fragile that the colors of a logo tangentially related to a service make them believe the service is woke, then I really don’t care about getting them to adopt it. It’s also something like a pentagram. I don’t care if this scares evangelicals. Both of these are such insane stretches that it would be foolish to accommodate them.
A lot of people are going to rednote as a show of protest:
- these people have had their data mined since they were babies, they’ve been taught by the market since birth that their data isn’t something they should value
- then they’re told that it’s bad that these other people can access their data, with no explanation as to why it’s any different
- while at the same time being told that it’s totally fine for the folks who are already mining your data to sell it to the people who shouldn’t have your data
So they’re basically saying “you’re lying, and your explanation contradicts your previous behavior, so I’m gonna do the exact opposite of what you want”
Again because they don’t actually care about their dataYou’re expecting Zoomers and Gen Alpha irreversibly addicted to short-form video content, which has resulted in an attention span that doesn’t extend past 30 seconds, to READ?
Your comment is another proof that Lemmy/Fediverse is lacking young people
More or less is proving my point no?
My kids use a plethora of short-form video apps, and they also read novels, in addition to hobbies like cooking, knitting, crocheting, mechanical work, etc.
Maybe it’s just your kids.
There are plenty of kids who aren’t interested at all in the activities yours are.
Maybe your kids are the exception.
Thanks for encouraging your kids to have diverse interests and hobbies instead of letting a glowing screen raise them. I don’t have children but if I did I would hope to achieve the same for them.
You know what, I shouldn’t comment before I eat breakfast. You’re fine, I hope you have a very nice day.
I find this mentality disgusting. “Young people bad!”
(Not all of us, please. I’m 18 - and I love to read - and that’s how I’m even a media and middleware loving nerdy programmer, and that’s how I’m here!!! I’m not even from a developed nation…)
(…I’ve been recommended by YouTube, videos of gen-alpha peeps talking about and using GNU-Linux OSs passionately, even!)
Ok boomer
