Edit: I also just got banned for apparently being a troll. Me. Not the person they believe to be a dragon though.
“Gatekeeping” is an especially funny thing to accuse people of while you are gatekeeping.
Now that everyone has had a chance to argue all day about this, I’m gonna lock this post so you can go touch grass.
I agree that Drag is a massive troll and that user has been banned from many instances over the past few months, including this one.
Maybe try leaving it up to the folks at blajah to decide what they want to be called and maybe just play along with it, even if you find it weird. “Normal” is so fucking boring anyway. If you really can’t cope with occasionally coming across an unusual pronoun and being asked to simply accept it without having a meltdown, you probably don’t belong on blajah anyway. Just move on.
The “gatekeeping” bans seem like a BPR to me given the context in which it was posted. Having said that, I don’t entirely understand the rationale for blajah’s rule, since the effect seems to be that you either need to be 100% behind fantasy neo-pronouns and identities (including drag? dragonfucker??) or cop a ban, but if that’s how they want things then that’s up to them. Not every space is for everyone, and diversity of communities and instances is mostly a good thing.
As far as our instance (dbzer0) goes, malicious/intentional misgendering of users is not permitted, similar to blajah. However, like others in this thread have argued, I agree that someone who literally identifies as a dragon fucker does not deserve to be taken seriously about anything, and it’s entirely reasonable to simply assume the choice of pronouns is just another form of trolling. The context and drag’s extensive mod history (along with previous alts) are important factors here too.
It’s also concerning to me that people are being attacked and reported for being “bigots” or “anti-trans” in the comments just because they have hesitations over what are effectively contentious edge cases involving neo-pronouns and an infamous troll. I know for a fact that many of the commenters in this thread are very supportive of trans people, trans rights and respecting a person’s chosen gender pronouns. They just have a problem with this particular dragon-fucker, not because Drag is trans, but because Drag is a narcissistic troll and a community wrecker who thrives on all the drama.
I’m leaving the comments intact for the record, but will add a CW below:
CW: possible misgendering in comments below, at least if you agree dragon fucker is a gender
Just to add to this. We don’t have problems with people identifying with fantasy races. Go be weird and whatnot. But there’s a line between what you identify as and with rubbing your kink in everyone’s faces constantly. So just to be clear out stance is not pro-disputing anyone’s identity and not respecting third-party person neopronouns. It about disputing whether your gender is being challenged because someone said “you”.
I suppose I should thank everyone in this comment section. I was initially feeling a little like I might have overreacted to an admin making a decision that no one in their right minds would actually defend when I sadposted on 196 about leaving, but seeing the wellspring of support for dragonfuckergender, I now feel comfortable in that leaving Blahaj is, indeed, the correct choice.
A .world user is leaving an instance they’re not a member of and feels the need to tell us about their sacrifice! Such bravery!
Bye, bigot. You’re not welcome anyway. You don’t get to question someone’s identity. Period. No matter what else they might have done, you do not get to question their identity.
I don’t see how it’s bigoted to be concerned with trolls whose behaviour actively harms the LGBTQ+ movement. There are tons of comments of that user that show they’re just trolling and engaging in disingenuous behaviour.
The right to identify as X or Y or whatever is not being questioned, the sincerity of this user specifically is being questioned. And that’s done because there’s a history of people claiming to identify as X/Y when they have no intention of doing so, and just doing it to drive people away from LGBTQ+ acceptance.
Gatekeeping support is not the answer here.
You absolutely did over react.
Not at all. Like I said, considering the reactions of Blahaj users in this thread, Blahaj quite clearly is not any place I want to remain active in.
Ah yes, they’re all crazy, where have we heard that line before? God forbid we treat people with the slightest bit of dignity.
Ah yes, they’re all crazy, where have we heard that line before? God forbid we treat people with the slightest bit of dignity.
Sorry, I’ve already committed thoughtcrime by questioning whether dragons are real. This is the state of Blahaj, it would seem.
You slated the thinking of an entire community centered around LGBTQ stuff, not the reality of Puff the Magic Dragon.
I invite you to check which instances “all those Blåhaj users” are actually from.
I invite you to check which instances “all those Blåhaj users” are actually from.
Copygirl - Blahaj
Erin - Blahaj
Catoblepas - Blahaj
Nimble - Blahaj
WeirdyTrip - Blahaj
Erotador - Blahaj
Any other stupid points you want disproven, or are we done here?
Here’s some non-Blåhaj users I’ve come across in this thread that are echoing a similar sentiment to me:
- Ma…@lemmy.world
- St…@lemmy.world
- sp…@lemmy.cafe
- Mo…@pawb.social
- Re…@lemmy.world
- yu…@pawb.social
- Al…@leminal.space
- ca...@lemm.ee
- la…@lemmy.world
- OB...@lemmy.ml
You’ve got plenty of non-Blåhaj opinions in this thread questioning a Blåhaj admin’s decision.
Not to mention Dragon Rider isn’t even from our instance. Take it up with lemmy.nz if you want drag’s account banned.
I’m gonna be honest, y’all kinda fucking dumb lmao.
Let’s say drag is a troll. If so, then drag’s wanting you to do exactly what you’re doing now. You have taken the bait, hook, line and sinker. Congrats! You’re helping drag cause problems! To avoid taking the bait, you gotta use drag’s pronouns. Do that, and there’ll be no drama for drag to stir up.
If drag isn’t a troll, then you’re just being a dick and intentionally causing drama when you could just use drag’s pronouns. By doing so, you’d make drag feel happy and accepted; which would be very progressive of you.
Soooooo… By posting this, at best you’re just feeding a troll and making other trans people question whether or not their pronouns will be respected (no, really, when cis people start drawing lines for trans people, I get extremely uncomfortable; it’s not your place to do so, fuck right off), at worst you’re being a piece of shit.
Edit: the fucking entitlement of cis people telling trans people how to run their spaces is sickening. I thought Lemmy was supposed to be fairly progressive, yet once again I’m being shown that cis people believe they deserve a voice in something that has nothing to do with them. You don’t get to call yourself an ally when you question someone’s validity.
You disgust me.
“The only way to beat trolls is to comply with their every demand and especially stay silent when they get the administrators to enforce their trolling” is an interesting take, and one about as useful to a community as “Just ignore the bullies and they’ll go away” is to a child.
A) the trolling part is getting people like you to lose their shit and question a person’s “transness”.
B) who died and made you the eternal arbiter of validity? Fuck off. I’ve had enough cis people question me and others; and now you want to tell us how to run our own spaces? Go fuck yourself.
The discussion is about people being banned from blahaj, not about whether we want to use these particular pronouns.
I’m sure the dragon user is tickled pink about all the drama, yes, but talking about policy when people are getting banned seems like a good thing to do even that notwithstanding.
Except the discussion hinges around people trying to claim that drag’s pronouns aren’t valid. That isn’t their place to decide. That is why they got banned.
No, the discussion doesn’t. You, the admin, and several others have misinterpreted the argument. The user has been banned across communities for trolling, misgendering, encouraging suicide, bad faith accusations, moderator harassment, and advocating violence. The user has posted comments that are racist and advocating for bestiality. The user has cyberstalked and harassed a Lemmy.world mod to misgender the mod’s daughter.
The user has declared themself to not be a human. You know that to be impossible.
This isn’t about the pronouns. We are on your side. The troll is attempting to discredit you and your communities.
We only insist on using the correct pronouns. What’s the purpose of arguing the validity of a supposed troll’s identity when there’s plenty of actions to criticize? How often do we need to tell you that the correct response to a trolls is NOT to start misgendering them or similar, before you get it?
We only insist on using the correct pronouns.
And the idea of ‘dragonfucker’ as a gender identity, don’t forget, which is what most of the people removed were removed for.
People got banned for responding to a post by the admin herself titled “Neopronouns are not trolling”. They literally started arguing with an admin right then and there about whether some user’s identity / pronouns are valid. I don’t know what other outcome you expect.
