I’m well aware. The problem here in this circumstance is that you’re assuming by choosing to eliminate the one, that it will save the majority. The variable asbcent in that circumstance is the fact that it doesn’t matter how many CEO’s you kill, how many of what you—based off the standards that have been taught to you—consider the worst of the world you eliminate or lock up, there will always be just as much evil and selfishness to replace the evil you eliminate via the same such means.
Evil, hate and selfishness are an ignorance—a lack of knowledge, but of the true value of virtue; being abscent the other side of it, etc. This is what warrants any amount of it to any degree infinite forgiveness. Because it’s a blindness, all lack of knowledge; you don’t until you know. This would of course include the true value of virtue. We wouldn’t hate a blind person for walking into things and making mistakes that are a result of them abscent the ability to see all together. This is what any amount of lack of knowledge—ignorance is: a blindness. So at the core of all this is a knowledge that needs teaching, and people aren’t going to want to hear logic and reason (love) if you’re screaming at them, or insulting them, threatening them etc.
The moment we hate and murder like them is the moment we become them.
I would say such a view means you couldn’t love your own children, not being willing to fight those that would, given the opportunity, take money for your child’s care, then deny that care when they needed it to live.
That’s like a cow knowing their child is about to get the piston to their skull and telling their child to love the pistoner with grace. Very Jesus-y, but an awful parent.
It’s a delicate point of view in general ill admit, in this situation specifically I would do all I can do to defend. I absolutely wouldn’t go and assassinate some guy that if any of us were in his shoes, with how he came out biologically and the contemporaries and their influence all their life, would be doing the exact same thing he was lead to think as right, true and just. It’s what’s called: “taking oaths” I guess. Convincing yourself that all you know now is not only all that’s worth knowing, but is no longer up for question, and that would then therefore lead you into any harm, hate or iniquity to any degree; the influence of our contemporaries or peers are a massive wieght in the “oaths” we take, so to speak, hence racism.
We’re all just as vulnerable to becoming what we presently consider as the worst of the world, we’ve just been lucky enough to be abscent the variables and influences that make them so.
You can walk the path of MLK jr. and another can walk the path of Malcolm X. Changes as massive as the ones we’re seeking often take multiple levers to maneuver into effect.
Yep, MLK’s carrot would never have succeeded without the stick of Malcom X as a threat.
Even then, MLK was stopped from spreading his message of economic equity and socialism, which was tragically extinguished before a matching stick like movement for that was formed, by our government in order to prevent that problem explicitly.
The problem is however, amongst these two levers in particular, only one—ultimately, holds the potential of not only the least amount of lives lost, but the least amount of potential violence and the most potential for truly—again ultimately, reaching the day where at the very least violence is considered obsolete, and no longer necessary.
The other only offers more of the same; it isn’t anything new but more of what history teaches only creates even more of: hate. The only true remedy to what you or anyone considers as hate—in any given point in time—is love, even to the point of self-sacrifice. It’s being abscent the true woes of violence that lead most to so easily conclude responding to it with love as nonsense.
I’m sorry if I’ve insulted you in anyway, I’m not here to hate. So if I’ve offended you in anyway I genuinely apologize and I’m sorry about how you feel towards my sentiments, please consider considering them again sometime in the future.
This is a salient point. Dethroning the ones in charge by the same means they use (hate, division, etc.) will put someone new on the throne. But using the same means, you’ve now established a rule of law that works in the way they like to look at the world - with hate. With retribution. It’s a cycle. It needs to be broken.
Dethroning the ones in charge by the same means they use (hate, division, etc.)
The insurance industry does not hate the people they kill. It’s cold and passionless; it’s simply business. And it was hardly divisive, just look at the surprising approval in polls. It really only divides the upper class abusing the masses from the masses themselves, a division which already existed.
This is not cyclic. Doing nothing was cyclic. This is the way out of the cycle of mass social murder. This isn’t some symmetrical dispute of vengeance between neighbors or factions, this is oppression by a minority ruling class of sociopaths. You don’t need to hate them to know they’re passionless mass murderers with legal approval.
No amount of murder justifies the murder of even one.
I’m not sure what you mean by the peace retaliation bit, can you explain?
Are you familiar with the trolley problem?
I’m well aware. The problem here in this circumstance is that you’re assuming by choosing to eliminate the one, that it will save the majority. The variable asbcent in that circumstance is the fact that it doesn’t matter how many CEO’s you kill, how many of what you—based off the standards that have been taught to you—consider the worst of the world you eliminate or lock up, there will always be just as much evil and selfishness to replace the evil you eliminate via the same such means.
Evil, hate and selfishness are an ignorance—a lack of knowledge, but of the true value of virtue; being abscent the other side of it, etc. This is what warrants any amount of it to any degree infinite forgiveness. Because it’s a blindness, all lack of knowledge; you don’t until you know. This would of course include the true value of virtue. We wouldn’t hate a blind person for walking into things and making mistakes that are a result of them abscent the ability to see all together. This is what any amount of lack of knowledge—ignorance is: a blindness. So at the core of all this is a knowledge that needs teaching, and people aren’t going to want to hear logic and reason (love) if you’re screaming at them, or insulting them, threatening them etc.
The moment we hate and murder like them is the moment we become them.
I would say such a view means you couldn’t love your own children, not being willing to fight those that would, given the opportunity, take money for your child’s care, then deny that care when they needed it to live.
That’s like a cow knowing their child is about to get the piston to their skull and telling their child to love the pistoner with grace. Very Jesus-y, but an awful parent.
It’s a delicate point of view in general ill admit, in this situation specifically I would do all I can do to defend. I absolutely wouldn’t go and assassinate some guy that if any of us were in his shoes, with how he came out biologically and the contemporaries and their influence all their life, would be doing the exact same thing he was lead to think as right, true and just. It’s what’s called: “taking oaths” I guess. Convincing yourself that all you know now is not only all that’s worth knowing, but is no longer up for question, and that would then therefore lead you into any harm, hate or iniquity to any degree; the influence of our contemporaries or peers are a massive wieght in the “oaths” we take, so to speak, hence racism.
We’re all just as vulnerable to becoming what we presently consider as the worst of the world, we’ve just been lucky enough to be abscent the variables and influences that make them so.
You can walk the path of MLK jr. and another can walk the path of Malcolm X. Changes as massive as the ones we’re seeking often take multiple levers to maneuver into effect.
Yep, MLK’s carrot would never have succeeded without the stick of Malcom X as a threat.
Even then, MLK was stopped from spreading his message of economic equity and socialism, which was tragically extinguished before a matching stick like movement for that was formed, by our government in order to prevent that problem explicitly.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyd_Jowers_trial
The problem is however, amongst these two levers in particular, only one—ultimately, holds the potential of not only the least amount of lives lost, but the least amount of potential violence and the most potential for truly—again ultimately, reaching the day where at the very least violence is considered obsolete, and no longer necessary.
The other only offers more of the same; it isn’t anything new but more of what history teaches only creates even more of: hate. The only true remedy to what you or anyone considers as hate—in any given point in time—is love, even to the point of self-sacrifice. It’s being abscent the true woes of violence that lead most to so easily conclude responding to it with love as nonsense.
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I’m sorry if I’ve insulted you in anyway, I’m not here to hate. So if I’ve offended you in anyway I genuinely apologize and I’m sorry about how you feel towards my sentiments, please consider considering them again sometime in the future.
Happy new year my friend and good day to you.
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My apologies, please forgive me. Good day to you and happy new year my friend.
This is a salient point. Dethroning the ones in charge by the same means they use (hate, division, etc.) will put someone new on the throne. But using the same means, you’ve now established a rule of law that works in the way they like to look at the world - with hate. With retribution. It’s a cycle. It needs to be broken.
The insurance industry does not hate the people they kill. It’s cold and passionless; it’s simply business. And it was hardly divisive, just look at the surprising approval in polls. It really only divides the upper class abusing the masses from the masses themselves, a division which already existed.
This is not cyclic. Doing nothing was cyclic. This is the way out of the cycle of mass social murder. This isn’t some symmetrical dispute of vengeance between neighbors or factions, this is oppression by a minority ruling class of sociopaths. You don’t need to hate them to know they’re passionless mass murderers with legal approval.
Appreciate this comment well said my friend, refreshing to hear.