It gets worse: MAGAts will use the lack of recalls as evidence that food is safer now.
I’m expecting more batshit things like nutrition labels will be horribly exaggerated. “This Mac and Cheese dinner is ONE serving. Calories: 240. Because it’s YOUR DINNER!” or some shit.
Would be great when Europe stop accepting food imports from the US.
What food? They are going to deport the workforce that harvests it.
I suspect they will make rules harsher for some kinds of labor migration, while relax them for other kinds.
Musk has businesses too, especially since he’s moving everything to Texas.
What it all looks like for me is the new administration promising and apparently going to do things in exactly the same logic as the previous administration, but with less elaborate excuses. Same power redistribution, but done uglier.
About the effect on the economy and replacing the workforce - it seems that they want Americans to work those jobs. That may be interesting.
Also I think I’ve read something about having appetites at hitlerizing not just Canada, but also Mexico. Then, it seems, they will come to the workforce. Dunno how that mixes with Trump’s bigotry, but future is always unpredictable.
I’m pretty sure a lot of stuff would already not be allowed for import here and only the products that pass EU regs can be imported en masse (not like specialty shops/foreign section etc).
It’s the enshittification of the presidency once again.
Trump II: the diarrhea times
Trump 2: the shittening
One pandemic was simply not enough.
Pestilence, Famine, War, and Death.Choose your next card mortal.
The famine is nigh inevitable, nearly 20% rise in homelessness, folks are already stressed about food and that’s still going wild in price
yeah but tHeY DiDn’T giVe Us AnY gOoD CanDiDaTeS!!
That’s why so many threw their fucking votes in the sewers. Plus Harris had a situation in her past which could be read uncharitably!!!
Why do you hate [it doesn’t matter, put anything in here]?!?!
A lot of this is short term vs long term thinking. We got into this political situation precisely because Democrats have been running “lesser of two evils” milquetoast centrists for years. Democrats run centrist candidates that are just barely better than the Republican candidate. They don’t offer any real change, just preservation of the status quo. The preservation of the status quo used to be a Republican thing. Since Democrats have taken over that role, that forces Republicans further to the right. And Democrats also willingly adopt Republican framing of policies. Kamala ran on an immigration plan that would have been decried as fascism during Hillary’s campaign.
The problem with always holding your nose and voting for Democrats, no matter what, is that you eventually end up with an election that’s KKK vs. neo-Nazis, as Democrats slide so far to the right that they’re full on fascists themselves.
Barely better? Gore was the environmentalist. Hilary declared war on climate change when she said she’d have a map room. Biden did green energy policy. While Kamala was hesitant to say it I think it was clear she was going to continue it.
But don’t worry, maybe we can start again from scratch in 4 years.
*Actually it won’t be from scratch, we’ll have to dig ourselves out from disbanding the EPA.
Oh, you want to change topics and talk about the environment now? OK. Let’s talk about the environment.
Biden oversaw the largest expansion of oil drilling in American history. Have US CO2 emissions declined under Biden’s term? He also put up huge tariffs on Chinese EVs, batteries, and solar panels. He chose to put American business interests ahead of helping the environment. A few days ago, as a lame duck, he grabbed headlines by barring oil drilling in a bunch of US waters. But he only banned drilling in areas that the oil industry has no interest in operating in anyway. The coastal areas that actually have a potential for future drilling expansion? He left those alone. All style and no substance; it’s the Biden way.
He’s taken the exact same kind of market-oriented approaches to climate change that have got us where we are. The core idea of his IRA act was that if we just produce a whole lot of solar panels and batteries, that the magic of the market will sort itself out. No need for taxes on carbon. No need for restrictions on new drilling. Just produce enough EVs, and everything will sort itself out. Instead, what’s happening is we’re simply using the solar revolution to increase our total energy use as a species. We’re paving the desert in solar panels while also continuing to burn fossil fuels at a record pace. Neoliberal environmentalists can’t actually help the environment, because they insist on doing everything through market mechanisms. And energy is so useful the market will seek to exploit every energy source possible.
They can’t even fathom the idea of outlawing new oil or gas expansion. Banning something profitable? To them that’s like trying to visualize a four-dimensional object. They simply cannot comprehend the idea. “Wait, we can just ban something? But what about the corporate donors? What if Republicans use that ban to paint us as liberal extremists?”
Even on environmentalism, the issue you chose precisely because it puts Biden and the other centrist Dems in the best possible light, they have failed miserably.
Behold the environmental record of neoliberalism, like the Writing upon the Wall:
The US chart is less damning. It exhibits a slight downward trend as we’ve outsourced so much of our manufacturing:
But even looking at that graph, I see zero impact of presidential administration on CO2 emissions. Democrat or Republican in power? It has no impact on CO2 emissions. Industry is mostly left to do as it will.
The core philosophical promise of neoliberalism is, “forget fairness, justice, or doing what’s ‘right.’ Instead follow whatever pragmatic market-based solutions will produce the best outcome.” And that premise is now its epitaph.
I don’t give a damn what a politician says. Democrats certainly talk in big flowery language about the environment. But when actually in office, they turn down opportunity after opportunity to actually improve things. As it is in the environment, so in every other issue.
Ok I’m gonna have to set the stage first.
Gore ran on environmentalism. And bam he lost the election.
So what did Obama learn? That it was a losing topic. Don’t touch it. And he won.
Hilary said maybe now is the time. When she said she would have a map room she declared war on climate change. And what happened? Bam lost the election.
So what did Biden learn? Stay away from it. Don’t touch it. And he won.
But Biden did Green Energy anyway. And what did polls say? That he was going to lose.
So what did Kamala learn? You get no thanks for environmental policy. Don’t touch it.
And what won the election? The price of eggs, “It’s the economy, stupid".
So on to my point: You’re talking is if the Dems had an overwhelming mandate from the people for environmentalism. They didn’t. They never have. They likely never will. Every time they even look at environmentalism, they lose. Every. Single. Time. But you’re here holding them to the
goldplatinum standard. The people have spoken and they say: “don’t do it.” You want them to be a pitbull on the topic, when the people have said “don’t do it, we don’t want it”. Do you see the dichotomy here? They aren’t elected to do it, and then you ask “Why didn’t they do thegoldplatinum standard?” Do you realize this? What we got from them, when they lose every single time on it, is not bad. Want more? Then they have not lose every single time it comes up. (And inb4 Lemmy’s famous misreading, I want more. I want a ton more. But I see that they lose every single time on it.)*This is probably my only reply because frankly if you think they had this overwhelming mandate to run to the platinum standard, well you reallllly need to realize the dichotomy of what we on lemmy want vs what the people elect them to do. Again: They didn’t have a mandate. They never have. They likely never will. Again, I want it, but I see they didn’t have it and that they lose every single time on it.
Fantastic response, really well said and completely accurate.
The identity politics offered by Dems pale in comparison to meaningful substantive policy initiatives, and Dems make a whole lot of money promising donors they won’t do those. It seems that voters are finally catching on.
Even the identity politics is pretty shallow. They talk a big game about LGBT rights or the black community. But what do they really do? They didn’t manage to pass an updated Civil Rights act to fix the most egregious Supreme Court rulings. They put Senate decorum and preserving the filibuster ahead of protecting our democracy. Or how about codifying Roe v Wade? Did that happen? Or how about something that was proposed that wasn’t implemented - allowing doctors to set up abortion clinics on US government property in red states. That wouldn’t have required any Congressional approval. Did that happen? No. Nothing. Using the full force of the Justice Department to come down on states that restrict trans rights? No, didn’t do that either. Hell, Biden hasn’t even managed to reschedule marijuana yet. His geriatric ass couldn’t even get that done.
They talk a big game, but they deliver little. Ultimately they will always fall back to the idea that any serious attempt to help minorities will require 60 votes in the Senate, because the filibuster is just too sacred to let go, even if it’s to help people. And even if they got 60 votes, just as with things that require only 51 votes, there will always be a rotating villain of the week ready to throw a wrench in the works. Republicans police their caucus and whip up their votes when needed on big issues. Democrats wring their hands and say, “well, he/she is from a conservative state, and we’re lucky to have the seat at all!” This type of thing never seems to prevent Republicans from passing the legislation they want to. They always find a creative way to do it with a 50 vote majority, or they inevitably find a few dems willing to support some horrible bill in the name of “bipartisanship.”
We are likely to see bills pass the Senate this term explicitly restricting trans rights. Sports and childhood access to medication will be the likely targets for first federal legislation. And you can be damn sure that there will be a good portion of the Democratic caucus voting for such measures. The centrist dems will quietly remove the pronouns from their email signatures, and they’ll happily vote to restrict trans rights.
Buddy, he passed a law called the Inflation Reduction Act whose biggest impact is protectionist policies that make green vehicles and energy harder to access for individuals. It was a corporate subsidy for American corporations only marketed as a Green New Deal.
You fell for the marketing.
Seeing as it was called the inflation reduction act, I actually saw through the name and marketing and saw the substance.
Obviously you did not.
The preservation of the status quo used to be a Republican thing. Since Democrats have taken over that role, that forces Republicans further to the right.
You have this backwards. The Republican platform is catered for conservatives. They were always going to shift more and more to the right as time passed. This gives the DNC an excuse to avoid running progressive candidates since there’s nobody else who can challenge them in the FPTP two-party system.
I mean, technically they gave zero candidates. He resigned essentially without time for actual elections, and she was just shoved in. 8 years ago people got fucked when they forced Hillary, and this time they didn’t even give a choice.
Screw the entire system.
“Technically” “they” gave us a presidential and vice presidential candidate that wasn’t the demented incompetent rapist.
A “Screw the system“ non-vote gives us what we see here. It’s not rocket science.
Because of where I live, my vote literally would not have changed a damn thing in every election since I’ve been an adult. This includes having moved across the country. My vote has not or wouldn’t have mattered in many different ways. It’s all pointless.
And before you deflect to whine about local elections. I’ve done my “research” there before and most of those are wastes of time with little choice voting for small-time versions of the same power hungry losers that don’t fix anything.
Well if you don’t vote you can’t bitch about it.
I voted for Harris but it felt like a gun to my head because I despise her policies and the time she spent helping cops lock people up. She’s a terrible candidate and the worst option for the time for the Dems. But she was the only one of two people who weren’t a fascist, at least publicly. Neoliberal business strategy is fascism in a tailored suit and the current DNC and RNC are both pushing it onto us. The RNC at least understands how to ignore the people who won’t vote for them.
The DNC needs a deep and thorough cleaning to remove all the neoliberal money grubbing from the party. Progressive politics is the only way to beat fascism at the ballot but business leaders are too scared of not making money.
No they tried to push an obviously senile man and then switched at the last minute. Then she pledged to rule the exact same way as that senile man, while the lower classes are having trouble affording luxuries like food. Turns out Marie Antoinette didn’t have a popular position.
Okay, here’s your incompetent fascism. Bon appétit.
When the choice is oppression or sparkling oppression it’s not exactly a head scratcher as to why people stayed home.
You are very clear then that the reason we’ll have locusts and plagues and massive suffering is because people stayed home to bitch about “sparkling oppresion”.
I mean, okay. That’s the way you want it.
You’re trying to argue logic with someone who is lying about their motivations. Whatever their real reason for not voting for kamala, it’s so reprehensible that they would prefer you think that they are unimaginably stupid. I guess it must be difficult to be too liberal to admit that you are maga, but still be so full of hate for a race, gender, or whatever that you would rather say “fuck it, I’d rather see it all burn than elect a <whatever>”.
I’m sorry, but there’s just nothing you can say against someone who insists that 2+2-plurple.
There was plenty of time for elections. They just didn’t want to do it.
Sure. That’s a valid way to look at it. I don’t personally think there was time logistically, but also in the sense of allowing time for society as a whole to informationally get caught up and begin to change minds.
When people are used to this taking years, cramming it into mere months is kind of unacceptable on short notice.
What has the Democrat party done for you?
Is this a wind-up?
Every good thing the government has done in the last 50 years. On rare occasion with help from conservatives. Expanded healthcare, pandemic plans (thrown away by trump), and forgiven student loans for three random things.
Democratic party.
Those are great examples! Next time you try to convince someone use positive examples instead of just kvetching, it’s much more impactful.
Also I’ll start calling it the Democratic party after DWS and crew stop rigging the primaries.
You need examples to support the one national political party with the only viable progressive policies in the last 50 years?
Oh wait - are you not a US voter? If not, my apologies, I can link handy lists of important Democratic policies, but I default to thinking people are already familiar with US politics. Since Reagan the differences have been very stark.
Please stop being intentionally obtuse, it’s hella disingenuous. You are obviously experienced enough to know that me shitting on the dems in the DWS era means I’ve been an active lefty for at least a decade.
Edit: lol I forgot to switch from my porn alt for this conversation
Hm. I don’t know what the “DWS era” is.
OH! Debbie Wasserman-Schulz. Yes. Right.
True, I missed that. So yeah if you’re looking for examples of why people should vote for the Democratic party (and don’t know to call it the Democratic party) and you’ve been an active lefty with a porn account for 10 years, I dunno what to tell ya. There’s lots of resources to explain why voting for something good is better than allowing everythig bad to win.
I think a decent response here would be to boycott processed foods
The majority of foodborne illness outbreaks have been from contamination of unprocessed food.
Which follows, because processing and cooking kills a lot of the bacteria in food.
I’m trying to remember what the other most likely contaminated food was, but the one I remember is alfalfa sprouts.
My wife and I had terrible food poisoning around 10 years ago, she had it worse than me, and her dish was covered in sprouts while I merely sampled some of it.
I’m not sure how great this source is but this is one of them. Taking guidance from what has been contaminated most in the past and the ways you can avoid it is probably the safest course forward without a working FDA:
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods-that-cause-food-poisoning
The EPA and FDA set limits and regulate pesticide, herbicide, and antibiotic use. A raw or paleo diet probably won’t help much without both agencies.
PSA: soak your produce in a baking soda solution to break down chemicals.
*To all the doubters this is easily verified
Surface pesticide residues were most effectively removed by sodium bicarbonate (baking soda, NaHCO3) solution when compared to either tap water or Clorox bleach.
What is the chemicals aren’t acidic and can’t be neutralized by rinsing in a basic solution?
I think they’re generally petroleum based.
It’s sad to see 13 downvotes all because you said “chemicals” instead of “pesticides”, even though it’s right in the excerpt you posted, and you linked to the scientific study. All the responses are trash jokes and people without reading comprehension.
I don’t see a single one that has anything valuable to add.
That’s an interesting but very limited study. I’d like to see it expanded.
There are plenty out there, get googling.
But I’m not baking, and it’s not even soda! The fuck is this bullshit?!
You mean chemicals like the horrible H2O?
Well… a lot of handling rules for fresh foods are REALLY dangerous to get rid of. Idk. I guess, wash and cook everything. Don’t eat any salad.
you can eat salad. you will just have to cook it or else you risk getting sam and ella
Sadly the vast majority of people are either poor or time poor so it’s not an option for many.
It costs more to eat fresh produce, you have to shop for it more, and it takes more time to prepare.
And it goes bad faster. I travel for work so I really struggle to buy the right amount of fresh food so I won’t be throwing stuff away when I get back.
Don’t buy fresh produce. Frozen is actually better since it’s frozen pretty soon after harvest.
Some stuff just doesn’t freeze well.
Vegetables are one of those things that do.
Depends on the vegetable, clearly.
It’s far from “better” unless you like mushy produce over fresh crisp produce.
I don’t care how hard you try to dress up your frozen produce it will always be inferior in texture.
I see you haven’t experienced the “fresh” produce my local grocery is offering.
Processed foods? Like, vegetables picked from the ground?
processes like pasteurization?
Unironically something RFK Jr would want you to do.
A huge bundle of cash from the fast food industry means he won’t be allowed to follow through on the only sensible part of his policy.
They will end the FDA for profits of their
overlordssponsors.Looking forward to reliving the circumstances that led to the formation of the FDA. That’s gonna be fun times. /s
A little more faith in people: They are being lied to about WHY FDA is being cut.
A lot less faith in people: The lie is “because colored people.”
A little more faith: Many just want less government and taxes
A lot less faith: The thought process is: “I know millions die without the oversight, but it hasn’t affected ME because I’m special. Plus I’d save so much money.”
A lot, lot less faith: That money won’t go to you, you’ll get $14 dollars and polio out of all this. But cool new jets and tanks in the military parade
The FDA isn’t keeping you nearly as safe as you think they are.
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The same food pyramid that was promoted by corporations and that the FDA said to stop using around 15 years ago?
Food pyramid was USDA.
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It’s okay, the pyramid isn’t real, it can’t hurt you. Now come out so these nice people can take you away and give you a warm jacket and a safe padded room.
