He wants to make it his stupid things like “Gulf of America” instead of “Gulf of Mexico” take up that spot. Not his insane pick for departments, not his plans for cutting social security, etc.

This might be hard for you to hear, but you can’t control what other people focus on and your strategy is stupid and bad.

Nothing will stop people from disregarding the people who raise hell. Raise hell anyway.

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That’s stupid! Words are actions!

It’s not a stunt, it’s total megalomania and you are falling for the coping tactic of pretending he’s not serious in his literal statement to expand the borders of the US north and south.

All media/journalism is struggling to make ends meet and no one in (real) media wants Trump to be in power. This cynical theory of the media is fucking stupid.

How are you this stupid? You go to political instances and find the primary political figure of the president of the most powerful nation on earth being discussed and you’re surprised? Upset?

How do you manage to articulate your viewpoint without realizing how stupid it is?

That’s stupid.

This is the bad thinking that must be extirpated at the root.

Shut the fuck up. You fucking moron. What happened the last time he was president? He tried to assassinate foreign leaders and was stopped by Mattis. He summoned his militia to the capitol and mounted an insurrection.

He’s only a troll to you because that makes you feel better.

Stop it. Stop spreading your stupid ignorance.

Trump is actually threatening to invade Panama, that’s not just a ‘distraction.’

Trump actually did try and lock Hillary Clinton up, it wasn’t just bullshit.

I despise the extent to which denialism hides in believing that if we ignore or don’t report on the facts of Trump’s terrifying actions (speeches are actions) that will somehow improve the situation.

I’m perfectly happy talking about patriarchy if it’s appropriate for the topic, much as I’m perfectly happy telling people to shut up about patriarchy if they’re being pushy dipshits.

I’ll admit that this may not have been the best place and time for this conversation but it needs to be spoken of,

Hear me out here, but maybe if it’s “not the best place and time for this conversation” don’t have it.

especially to the people who want to hear it least.

Disgusting.

Look you’re spreading a mythologized patriarchy-as-Satan theology.

You may not want to hear it, but just shut up about feminism when men’s issues come up, and listen.

How can we call them responsible on an individual level when patriarchy is the only thing they have ever known?

This is such an extreme definition of total patriarchy that it’s an agency-robbing mythos. “What if every bad thing was caused by a concept?” isn’t a coherent or practical worldview.

Don’t believe in agency-robbing mythos. Don’t spread them, because somewhere in there you’re just giving yourself permission to lecture other people against their will at a time and place in which it is not appropriate for you to do so.

Spoken like a person whose sense of virtue has been offended. Your ideology has failed you because it stopped being a tool and became an ideology.

Sorry but feminists have trash takes too!

And yet every reply is in disagreement and almost every follow-up reply made by you is heavily downvoted.

Yeah, well, them’s the breaks. Can’t piss off the modrat libruls without dealing with their empty posturing anger.

You’re the one who brought up feminism in the first place and nobody said feminism should solve men’s issues.

Stupid.

The lecturers I remember would address questions instead of ignoring them.

How sad for you.

Just because the vast majority of people are unwilling to question their beliefs does not mean the concept is wrong.

Yes it does! At least to some admittedly limited extent!

I am a post-structuralist at least this much, that a ‘concept’ like ‘the patriarchy’ is very broad and frequently applied. Appeals to a platonic ideal of ‘the patriarchy’ don’t work on me.

I feel I’ve made my points about how you don’t listen and your points are nonsense and I really have no desire to talk to you

Thanks for the laugh.

Your approach isn’t working, you aren’t listening, good luck with that.

Sometimes it even meets that aspiration!

Talking about the patriarchy is feminism. Feminism necessarily centers women, or it’s not really feminism, degraded into an all-encompassing ideology devoid of its intended purpose.

(PETA isn’t feminism just because it can invoke the language of oppression.)

So yes, I advance this notion that talking about the patriarchy in a topic about male pain is centering feminism and therefore centering women. I don’t see that this should be controversial.

Except, of course, to those who universalize feminism into a cure-all ideology, which is shorthand for broken thinking which diverts feminism from its purpose.

You can’t fix men with feminism: that’s an incoherent idea.

Why shouldn’t feminist ideas center women?

I’m not saying that patriarchy centers women, I’m saying its invocation here centers feminism in a topic about a masculine issue, which is to, say, it’s rude and counterproductive.

Do you have anything empirical to show that would indicate what you believe or is it just something you want to believe?

Getting upvotes on my main points.

People who disagree with me right now are still in a backlash phase. They’ll either listen and think about it and accommodate the obvious truth that feminism isn’t a panacea for men’s issues because that’s just stupid.

Or they’ll keep on bleating about the patriarchy every time a man expresses some feelings.

And if you were listening instead of just screaming

I’m not screaming, I’m lecturing.

The centering of women in a topic about men’s feelings being undermined by women centering their perspective is an obvious problem. It’s not that difficult to understand that if a woman were talking over a Black woman’s experience to talk about patriarchy instead of racism, that woman would be out of line.

C’mon.

Your patriarchy concept isn’t working. You can’t reach men by talking about the patriarchy. Joe Rogan doesn’t talk about the patriarchy. It’s not that complicated, you just hold to your ideology hoping that if everyone nods their heads and says “yes the patriarchy is to blame” the problem will get fixed. That’s stupid.

their statement does not center around women.

That’s stupid.

Their argument is that patriarchal beliefs can be adopted by both women and men and in this case the patriarchal belief is that men shouldn’t express their emotions and in the image it is a woman perpetuating that belief by refusing to accept what was said.

You’re not listening. Try again.

You are correct that I was speaking glibly and that when I said “shitty woman” I could have said “a woman who happened to be acting shitty.”