• candybrie@lemmy.world
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    He’s not going to accept the concept of patriarchy as anything other than a feminist idea that centers women.

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      I like to imagine they’re one of those “I agree with what you’re saying as long as you don’t mention socialism” kind of people, except for them the big bad taboo word is patriarchy.

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        I’m perfectly happy talking about patriarchy if it’s appropriate for the topic, much as I’m perfectly happy telling people to shut up about patriarchy if they’re being pushy dipshits.

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      3 days ago

      Why shouldn’t feminist ideas center women?

      I’m not saying that patriarchy centers women, I’m saying its invocation here centers feminism in a topic about a masculine issue, which is to, say, it’s rude and counterproductive.

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        Ok, let me rephrase. You aren’t going to accept that talking about the patriarchy is anything other than feminist and centering women.

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          Talking about the patriarchy is feminism. Feminism necessarily centers women, or it’s not really feminism, degraded into an all-encompassing ideology devoid of its intended purpose.

          (PETA isn’t feminism just because it can invoke the language of oppression.)

          So yes, I advance this notion that talking about the patriarchy in a topic about male pain is centering feminism and therefore centering women. I don’t see that this should be controversial.

          Except, of course, to those who universalize feminism into a cure-all ideology, which is shorthand for broken thinking which diverts feminism from its purpose.

          You can’t fix men with feminism: that’s an incoherent idea.

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              Spoken like a person whose sense of virtue has been offended. Your ideology has failed you because it stopped being a tool and became an ideology.

              Sorry but feminists have trash takes too!