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I might be killed, but seeing the comments i feel like lemmy is getting too into the zone of umm like judging the action based on the person instead of judging the action/statement itself, yeah the US gov is a piece of shit, and also they probably don’t have the peoples best interest in mind, but the act of banning tiktok, according to me, is a right move, i can see nd myself have felt the humongous mental impact it has on teens (like me) basically killing their attention span, and making them feel like they need to pick up their phone, heck kids cant read 10pages from their physics book, infact reading a page only thoroughly is a tough task for most of them, and i m not talking abt a few select cases, i can see this in 95% of kids (this is anecdotal tho), ever since i stopped using reels/tiktoks/shorts, i can feel my mind improving
Also the whole slew of misinformation and propaganda tiktok is, is another issue
Again I agree with ppl that the US doesn’t hv the ppls best interest, but i do feel this might help atleast some ppl break their addiction, so many I know are aware they r addicted but can’t stop, banning the app altogether might help
Gross to see this kind of disinformation on Lemmy. Too bad freedom and open information lost in a major way. This will be a dark day in history. Nobody benefits except the genociders.
It wasn’t. There’s zero proof of this currently.
The app is banned because congress can’t control. They want you using the platforms where you can’t become class or politically aware.
Disinformation.
TikTok has been under control of the State Dept for years, since TikTok transferred custody of US servers to Oracle. The ban is to force a sale to a US competitor, and decrease transparency on censorship activities, especially regarding Palestine and pro-communism material.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/tiktok-chinese-trojan-horse-run-by-state-department-officials/284353/
I think tiktok should be banned for its addictive algorithm. It is far worse than any other social media for that reason.
L take.
Can someone explain to me how it’s worse for a foreign government to have your information than your own government having that same information? Your own government is far more likely to actually be able to do something about you.
I have news for everyone ITT: TikTok is not leaving the US. A friend works in their North America business division, and they are fully planning to split off a satellite company that is (at least nominally) US-based and compliant with local law. They have been working on the transition for many months.
The interest your domestic and foreign corporate social media platforms have in you are VASTLY different. It’s naive to equivocate them. Yes, TikTok should get “banned”, which will just be pulling the app from the app store and likely still available as a web app maybe through a VPN. They’re just going to create more friction in getting access.
Instead of advocating for spyware, perhaps we should be highlighting open alternatives?
Imagine cheering that your government decided witch social media are you allowed to use.
Fuck you. I’m going to RedNote. Purely out of spite. Because I’d rather dropship my DNA to the Chinese Party of China HQ than give my data to Zucc or Elon.
There is sooooo much weird conspiracy shit in these comments. The government is banning TikTok becuase they collect too much data and the Chinese government could eaisly get access to all of it. The correct thing to do would be to regulate data collection but that would be problematic for Google, Meta, Microsoft, Apple…etc etc… so instead they just ban TikTok. All this TikTok tefusing to spread deep state US govt propaganda horse shit is a bit past nuts.
You make a good point and then draw the wrong conclusion.
You hit the nail on the head with what they should be doing (broad industry regulations), but then you COMPLETELY missed the point you made. Congress is NOT banning TikTok because they collect too much data, they’re banning it because it’s TikTok and the “data” is just an excuse…otherwise they’d pass real data privacy laws.
Another platform will pop up over the next week if TikTok is banned. What they want is to sell TikTok to someone that will change the platform because it’s too powerful. This isn’t to push “government propaganda”, but simply to change the algorithm to not be so good. They don’t want you to gain class consciousness or have political discourse, they want you to be distracted with silly cat videos and memes…and maybe a side of culture war, but nothing else.
Another platform will pop up over the next week if TikTok is banned.
Or an existing social media will try to take its place; Meta and Google have sites which imitate TikTok’s UI (at least, in part).
I don’t think it’s the only reason necessarily (and I’m inclined to agree your reasons are, at least, part of it) but I think the chance for U. S. companies to cannibalize TikTok’s market demographics is, also, a happy little coincidence of the consequences.
The thing with TikTok is almost all americans on it have gravitated away from other platforms because it has more to offer. I don’t think there’s a large demographic on TikTok who don’t precisely understand why they use TikTok over other platforms. (Edit: youth I suppose) I also believe this is why they want to force TikTok to sell, they want to have it exist as a platform but with new management.
If TikTok doesn’t sell and it does get banned, I almost guarantee the demographic will quickly find themselves on another, likely Chinese owned, platform. This will still be a win for Congress as they’ll have fractured TikTok and weakened the demographic as a whole.
Time will tell.
The correct thing to do would be to
Yes the banning of TikTok is absolutely the wrong thing.
They’re not hiding it. It’s not a “conspiracy” when it’s out the in the open.
This is a pretty sane explanation.
I’m also at least partially convinced that it’s motivated by our social media giants’ interest to “think of the children” their competition away.
Seeing as the order was basically “Get bought by an American corpo or get banned.” They either plunder the competitor’s insane data collection, userbase, and profits, or kick them off their corner.
You can also see it as retribution.
“Get bought by a Chinese entity or get banned” is the default posture of the Chinese government. BMW China is Chinese. Samsung China is Chinese. Panasonic China is Chinese. GM China is Chinese. If TikTok US is forced to be American, it wouldn’t be the most unfair thing this week.
You can’t have your “we’re better than them cos freedumb” cake and eat it too.
Well, let’s set the bar at not having concentration camps or not going to jail or being made “dissappear” for criticizing the government. For now…
I’m not sure that’s a bar you even clear, given the ice “detention centres” you set up domestically and places like abu ghraib or Gitmo you run on foreign soil. And as for criticising the government, what’s the practical use if a felon and a billionaire can rig your election without any repercussions anyway?
“I can call trump a criminal online, that’s freedom right there!”
“Will he actually be arrested?”
“Well no, but it feels good to say it”
I don’t know who is this “you” person mentioned, but I’m thankfully not American and my country has done nothing of sorts.
Plus people are not tortured even in ice centers. Gitmo is another story, but those are war crimes, not genocide. I know, weird argument, but I like to be precise m
People aren’t tortured with an iron maiden, but when you have conditions like under trump in 2020, and the suicide rate in ice detention jumped 11 times higher than the previous 10 year average, I don’t think you can suggest ice detention is that far away from concentration camps.
Also, Gitmo isn’t for enemy combatants - they can chuck anyone suspected of terrorism in there, even US citizens. It most definitely isn’t exclusively “war crimes”.
Aren’t they a 49:51 split international company:Chinese version?
As long as the Chinese entity has control, it’s fair game.
I mean occams razor is the best way to feel sane in the disinformation age so im with you. But i think its more accruate to do our best understand what is possible and suspend holding a specific belief like that because it doesnt matter if you are right or wrong. Many things could be true at the same time, especially with who you ask.
Kind of makes our conversations worthless, which i think is the strategy of disinformation. We cant know, so should we really be claiming whats true or not? Seems like we should just offer what seems most likely rather than tell everyone they are wrong unless you have information sources to help them understand why they are likely wrong.
Since this is the place for the most serious discussion:
If US lawmakers focused on protecting American’s privacy with some sensible privacy laws coughGDPR equivalent cough, we could avoid pulling out the ban hammer to play whack-a-mole on these companies.
Companies would simply be punished by the law for being malicious or irresponsible with your data, forcing industries to take privacy seriously and make investments in protecting and not leaking it.
Yes, now they just need the incentive to act and the knowledge of how to operate electronic devices.
Factually untrue, the only person who has control of what the algorithm shows you on any social media is the end user. So say8ng that it is used to spread propaganda (which that’s super vague), is blatantly false. Pretending otherwise is just being willingly ignorant to how the technology works. Hell, a 6 year old understands how the algorithm works and how to shape it. Plus, US based users have their data stored on US servers hosted by Oracle, China has no access to it. Do two seconds of research and you will see that I’m correct
The research lead me to an opposing conclusion unfortunately. tiktok+viral+heating in your search engine of choice shows results like these.
LMAO, The company that makes the algorithm has control over what that algorithm “weighs” it’s not that hard for them to tweak the values so it “weighs” whatever propaganda or content they want to push more of much higher than other content.
It’s true, the end user does have some influence on the algorithm, but when they have it tweaked to “weigh” pro-CCP or pro-Right-wing trash much higher than other content it doesn’t take much to end up falling back. For example, watching part of single pro-Trump video would make the algorithm push much more Trump trash where it would take 5 “normal” fully watched videos to continue showing “normal” videos.
And that’s assuming the average user is even aware enough to influence it to that degree, which they don’t.
Plus, US based users have their data stored on US servers hosted by Oracle, China has no access to it.
Yea, the data is stored in the US, but it still influences the TikTok US algorithm (because they have a separate algorithm for China ofc) which is still wholly controlled outside of the US
Here is a video going over the bill in detail https://youtu.be/tMe3ZdWUnU8
Both are bad, one is worse.
You’re right, Google controls what I see and pushes right wing propaganda to my phone. TikTok’s algorithm actually works to serve me content based on my interests, and I have true political discussion and discourse there.
Google doesn’t push right wing propaganda to my phone. Do they only do that to US citizens?
I’m Canadian - 2 weeks before the election I started getting about an article per day pushed to my Android phone, for a few days.
Now when you say “pushed to”, where and how did that actually manifest “on” your phone.
Android will push notifications for news articles that you may be “interested” in. I think it used to be called Google Now.
Congress is concerned about theoretical propaganda, but it’s a reality in nearly every major news outlet and tech companies, but zero concern when it fits a certain narrative.
You’re right, Google’s tracking is way more pervasive and far less optional.
Polly wants a cracker
I hope you mean Google, they track you all over the web whether you want to be tracked or not just because lazy web developers can’t be bothered to host their own fonts (and other ways but that’s just one example). You have to deliberately download or use TikTok for them to get your data.
Not to mention meta. They’ll do all of the above and when they’re done sell the data to the highest bidder.
