I heard Tuta/Mullvad are quantum-resistant end-to-end encrypted and that Mullvad VPN is better at avoiding trigging captcha.
While Proton services are hosted in Switzerland which has the strongest privacy laws in the world and avoids the surveillance of NATO.
Tutanota’s emails are quantum resistant only when you are emailing other tutanota users. So practically no benefit really. You’re better off buying a cheaper email like Posteo that at least lets you use a goddamn third party client. Then you can use GPG to encrypt your emails or just use something else really, email is not good for discussing confidential stuff.
MullvadVPN is good, keep using it.
Something I wanted to add to that.
TLS 1.3 supports quantum resistant cipher suites but it’s up to both the sending and receiving systems to enable it.
I use both, Tuta is clunky but encrypts all email metadata at rest, proton does not encrypt metadata (to, from, subject).
Mullvad is great, it’s been great at avoiding the youtube “are you a bot” shenanigans they are rolling out (if you use the socks5 proxy for youtube).
Privacy guides has a writeup on both:
Proton’s CEO just crawled up Trump’s ass, so that’s worth factoring in to any decisions about using them.
Do you have a source? I can add it to my cancellation request. Proton has been driving me crazy.
What a piece of shit.
Didn’t see anything particularly Trump supportery on those three links…?
Switzerland does not have the strongest data protection laws in the world. Don’t fall for the Proton marketing bs. Some NATO countries (Germany e.g.) have better laws.
surveillance of NATO
NATO as a surveillance group is definitely a boogeyman created by Russian and Chinese propaganda. NATO countries share some military information with each other, but it’s not an intelligence organization.
You’re probably thinking of the Five Eyes, for which there is actual credible documentation of domestic surveillance.
Proton has the better encrypted email service. It follows the standard and is interoperable with others.
Proton has the better VPN service if you care about port forwarding, which Mullvad discontinued.
But nothing beats Mullvad for looking trustworthy, and it was reliable enough when I was on it.
Well, all the quantum stuff is more marketing than anything else. I think it’s snake-oil. All the big VPN services use encyption that’s itself unbreakable.
And as far as I know NATO is a military alliance. Their main job is to do military operations, like navy maneuvers and assure no member country gets attacked. I don’t think they do much domestic surveillance of citizens, as they’re not an intelligence agency.
As far as I know all of those three services are reputable.
The quantum stuff refers to the theoretical possibility of quantum computers to crack asymetric ciphers like the RSA.
There are new, quantum safe algorithms coming right now, but it’s hot out of the owen so personally I’d wait a bit for the first bugfuxes and such.
Sure, researching these algorithms is a valid concern. Just advertising is misleading. Since there are no quantum computers around which would be big and reliable enough to do these calculations. And as far as I know we’re not even sure if we can buld them at all, or in what timeframe. So they’re advertising to protect against something that doesn’t exist. I think that should be factored in when comparing services.
And by the way: I think it’s mainly the key exchange that is affected. I guess the tunnels are protected with symmetric cryptography? And quantum isn’t really an issue for most symmetric cryptography algorithms.
Exactly.
And yes, the handshake is made over an assymetric cipher, and then you use a symmetric one because they (this is not true for all symmetric algorithms out there, but the ones used in ssh etc. are) are both way faster and actually safe against quantum algorithms.
I tried Mullvad Vpn and I liked it. Plug and play, 5 € p month, 5? machines, speed ok ( 220 Mbit/s ish on ookla), no other BS. Also you can choose anonymous payments, which is a big plus.
Proton for email wasn’t intuitive to me at all , some years back. Don’t know about their VPN.
Also, Sweden is in the EU and CH (=Switzerland) has EU association, so kind of copy pasta concerning privacy rules and citizen rights. The former famous old-skool CH privacy is long gone, if that’s what you were thinking.
Most (good) VPN have quantum encryption, which Iike many said, is a bit of sales pitch bla bla imo.
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What wasn’t intuitive? It’s pretty standard UX material design
I believe I checked it out, before they had the bridge functionality. Seems much better now tbh.
Switzerland which has the strongest laws in the world
what does this mean?
Good catch, I forgot to put privacy in between.
