And they’re already kissing Trump’s ass
no it isn’t
if people can’t go this long without tiktok they’re addicted to social media and it should stay banned
There was kids and teenagers calling 911 because the service was down. I think we’re long past that concern
Good. Tiktok is fucking cancer.
You people that are embracing cancer and not treating it are absolutely retarded.
Prove it
Not worth it. Mods are going around harassing people that have a different opinion from the echo chamber.
You created your account today just to tell us that?
Made so many comments in a single day
I’m starting to think of Trump as one of those old school firefighters that would set fires and then swoop in to put the fire out lol.
Except it doesn’t have the capability to put out fires, so it just starts them, then declares having put them out and leaves them burning
Otherwise known by the modern term: Grifter
He was one of the first people saying to ban it in 2020. To me it’s more like he is easily swayed with lobbying so it ends up looking like he is a pioneer on pushing new policy when in actuality he is the first person people go to when they need to bribe a politician.
This is not unique to Trump. Politicians say “they changed their views” if there is enough oil to grease wheels.
He absolutely is. All presidents are.
Those type of firefighters exists in droves still because that is not an old-school thing.
Yeah, fuck the CCP for spying on Americans. The US Government would never do such a thing!
I always wanted to ask but haven’t been able to until now…
When you’re building the strawman, do you do it while the straw is still wet and then wait for it to dry or do you wait for the straw to cure first and then build it?
I’d imagine fungus would be a key reason in the choice but I’m still unsure about the process and figured I’d ask an expert…
Thanks in advance!
Fun fact about straw, you have to keep the bales dry, because if they get wet they start to decompose, which generates heat, and since straw traps air, it’s insulating, meaning it can get hot enough to catch fire!
Oh hey look, a strawman!
While there is a logical fallacy here I don’t think it’s a straw man.
It’s some form of two wrongs make a right.
Some call it a what-aboutism, although theres debate on whether its usually fallacious or not. There have been cases illustrated where using what-aboutisms is a proper logical counter, but most the time people just like to shout fallacy at each other so they dont have to think about the point they are making.
Whataboutism is a fallacy when it is used to justify a behavior instead of pointing out hypocrisy itself.
“It’s okay because you do it too” vs “You can’t claim moral superiority in this case because”
Comparing the spying that both of these countries do on innocent citizens, as if they are anything alike, is demented.
It’s not apples to apples. It’s comparing an orange to the sun.
You’re right, the us govt captures all internet traffic, all calls, all texts, and has complete subpoena power for all companies that interact with anything in the us; while deploying drones, planes, and satellites that watch us citizens; while encouraging citizens to sell each other out to the government.
It’s not comparable.
This whole thing just comes across as craven and politically motivated by the US government. If they were really concerned with apps (whether or not they’re owned by the Chinese government) collecting and selling user data, they would pass adequate and enforceable privacy laws. Banning one specific app is addressing a symptom rather than a root cause, and any solution to an issue like this ought to apply to the entire field more broadly. I don’t necessarily think that banning TikTok is a bad thing, but to do so in such an obviously politically motivated way belies a lack of concern about the underlying issue (i.e. the mass harvesting of user data) in my opinion.
Not to doubt that it’s politically motivated, but the ban law as written could be applied to any app with a country of origin on the US “Foreign Adversary” list AND declared to be a national security issue
TikTok was a Chinese intelligence operation in the end.
It was? How do you figure when no evidence of that was presented to Congress according to congressional members and senators?
so is this your alt account or do you have 11 more floating out there?
I create new accounts when I get bored or when an instance admin turns out to be a little [redacted] and decides to remove my account for being against US propaganda.
where’s all the Chinese government apologists at now?
They’re probably on the tankie instances blaming this on Uyghurs or some shit.
oh no they downvote bombed us!
whatever shall we do?!
Lol. What are they going to besides scream “Read Theory!” at us while crying into their pillows shaped like Stalin’s cock?
I wish people knew that TikTok being banned was more about it not suppressing posts about Palestine than national security or whatever else they say. Antony Blinken and Mitt Romney outright said last year it was about stopping people from seeing the truth about Israel committing genocide. If the government actually cared about foreign influence operations they’d regulate data privacy and social media algorithms in some way (idk how, but I’m sure you could) but they obviously won’t because US companies manipulating people and stealing their data is totally fine.
If that were true then they wouldn’t have given ByteDance the option to sell 80% to citizens and continue operating.
The law also bans every company from doing the same thing, sending personal data to any of the listed adversarial nations or being more than 20% owned by them. Why ban every company if they only cared about the Palestine message?
Making ByteDance sell 80% to US companies is a win for the powers that be because then that too can be manipulated by right-wing oligarchs.
I don’t trust Chinese companies all that much either, but Mitt Romney outright said this was about Palestine, you can see another reply of mine below with a link.
So how are a ton of people going to red note? Shouldn’t that have been banned a long time ago if they ban every company?
Probably difficult to enforce if RedNote doesn’t have American servers or offices, we will see if anything happens.
How did you go from “foreign influence operations” to “US companies manipulating people”
Facebook and YouTube have for years boosted conservative people and posts/videos: this is fine according to the powers that be.
Russia and no doubt countless others run influence operations through all US social media companies: this is also fine according to the powers that be.
China probably runs influence operations through a Chinese social media company: this is a national security problem that needs to be dealt with!!
The reasons TikTok is maybe being banned are because it’s the only major social media that isn’t suppressing pro-Palestine speech and because it’s not owned by a right-wing US oligarch. Musk is the shadow president, Zuckerberg is blatantly sucking up to Trump, etc etc.
Blinken and Romney. name a more trustworthily duo!
ironic you talk about manipulating people in a comment that’s goal is to…manipulate people.
I don’t trust either of them, but why would they lie about wanting to suppress support for Palestine? And if you don’t believe me, the State Department has them on record saying as much: https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-at-mccain-institutes-2024-sedona-forum-keynote-conversation-with-senator-mitt-romney/
SENATOR ROMNEY: A small parenthetical point, which is some wonder why there was such overwhelming support for us to shut down potentially TikTok or other entities of that nature. If you look at the postings on TikTok and the number of mentions of Palestinians relative to other social media sites, it’s overwhelmingly so among TikTok broadcasts. So I’d note that’s of real interest, and the President will get the chance to make action in that regard.
if you’re only evidence is two liars that are on the record lying about anything, anything in the record from them can never be considered the truth.
liars lie, regardless of if they tell the truth or not.
Tik Tok removed platform access from their US userbase voluntarily.
This was their choice.
The law is literally not even being enforced.
Noteworthy thing I haven’t seen mentioned here: They apparently only removed app access. The website still works just fine.
The website didn’t work from US IPs last night, but it’s back already.
Multiple apps must have done so.
That’s what I see when I search for Marvel Snap on the playstore. Someone mentioned it was down as well earlier
Because they are distributed by a company that is owned by Bytedance. You know. The people who own Tik Tok.
Yeah, that’s why I brought that one up
I hear that businesses existing in the face of unenforced laws are really stable and enduring. \s
Large businesses literally operate in conflict with the law until the law directly forces consequences, usually in monetary form. So, until they get caught and are forced not to do the thing. Explain to me why this is any different.
Hey, look over here at the TikTok performative theatrics while we set up an oligarchy and rob you of your labor, your health, and your livelihood.
Tiktoks removel is not a distraction from oligarchy, it is oligarchy in action. This is meta collecting on what they paid congress for.
So wait, you’re complaining cause they did something? But if they had done nothing you’d also be complaining
You see me complaining? I’ve never used TikTok, but the entire controversy around it is just wag-the-dog type distraction.
So I am assuming most Lemmy people don’t use Tiktok or Meta stuff. Here is some things you may or may not already know.
- Shou (CEO) made a parting video praising Trump on the last day
- Shou will be on the stage with all the other tech billionaires during inauguration
- People have noticed the last couple days that FB and Instagram have had a “link your Tiktok account” so you don’t lose anything on the platform
I think it’s pretty obvious now that Tiktok is going to become a part of Meta one way or another.
People have noticed the last couple days that FB and Instagram have had a “link your Tiktok account”
WTF, how is this not news everywhere?
im baffled by the blase response by lemmy users to government overreach
Right? 170 million people just get censored by the government.
170 million people
Where’s that number coming from. Maybe you mean the 165 billion installs , but that’s not active users and double counts people installing on multiple devices. Tik tok has 50 million dau Of those maybe 10% is actually “speaking” and creating content that the other 90% consume so around 5 million people.
And those 5 million people aren’t silenced, they can still go on to one of multiple apps that provide the same service and allows them to get there message out. He’ll they could come on to the fediverse and post blatant ccp propaganda and no one will do anything.
Boomer lib shit.
You think silencing half the entire population of the country is boomer lib shit?
Ok, boomer.
Same! It is definitively unconstitutional and the us gov just pushed it through anyway (with even supreme court backing it up?!) Shit is crazy, and yet I see a lot of ‘no big loss’ type comments on it.
I didn’t bother following the court case, what were they arguing, freedom of the press?
The law boiled down says any applications from Rushia or China are inherently a security risk and therefore can be banned no questions asked (currently they have to go app by app) which to put it simply is extremely concerning. Straight up US great firewall type shit
Not all apps, review/travel sites get a pass, and the decision is left to the president, which is a dumb way to do it.
DIVISION H-- PROTECTING AMERICANS FROM FOREIGN ADVERSARY CONTROLLED APPLICATIONS ACT
Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act
(Sec. 2) This division prohibits distributing, maintaining, updating, or providing internet hosting services for a foreign adversary controlled application (e.g., TikTok). However, the prohibition does not apply to a covered application that executes a qualified divestiture as determined by the President.
Under the division, a foreign adversary controlled application is an application directly or indirectly operated by (1) ByteDance, Ltd., TikTok, their subsidiaries, successors, related entities they control, or entities controlled by a foreign adversary country; or (2) a social media company that is controlled by a foreign adversary country and determined by the President to present a significant threat to national security. (Here, a social media company excludes any website or application primarily used to post product reviews, business reviews, or travel information and reviews.)
The SCOTUS decision was wild too, because it was a fucking 9-0 vote. The decision was unanimous. That’s a word that’s virtually never used to describe the SCOTUS or any kind of government vote. That unanimous decision made it perfectly clear that the government knows something we don’t, and that TikTok had them fucking terrified. My bet is on the genocide being much worse than even TikTok was showing, but TikTok was the only place you could see anything about it that didn’t have a massive “Israel is just helping them root out terrorists” spin.
I said exactly that a few days ago. Got downvoted nicely, hope you have better luck.
https://old.lemmy.world/comment/14527149
Your comment made me feel a little more sane.
And nothing of value was lost.
Tell that to the millions of American small businesses that thrived on the app. Billions of tax revenue just vanished.
I see this sentiment a lot but I don’t understand, which small business are doing all of their business exclusive on TikTok?
It’s less about only doing business on TikTok (there are many, however), but of all the other social media platforms, they get more engagement and sales from TikTok than any other platform. (Ask yourself how many people are successfully selling their products and services on Lemmy, for example)
It allows people to make chained response videos that also shows their work, as well as illuminating the personality and goals of the people who run the business.
Connectivity between videos, with video responses to comments, is a powerful tool that TikTok does better, and it’s created a boon for many who are self employed.
When 170 million Americans are using the platform, your level of exposure skyrockets.
Ask yourself how many people are successfully selling their products and services on Lemmy, for example
I’m still stuck on asking how many people are successfully selling their products and services on TikTok.
Like, what businesses are these and what are they selling? I wouldn’t imagine any of these social media platforms would be good for selling anything on. What’s an example of something I could go on TikTok and buy? I couldn’t imagine buying anything on any social media platform. I’ve never even seen anyone selling anything on any social media platform. How would I even do that if I wanted to?
Oh, no. Someone think of the pink sauce lady and dildo sellers!
And Quality Patch, Mr Seems, various actual artists who showcase and sell their work, candle makers, authors, wood artisans, leather and metal workers, and everyone else who was doing well and making good products.
Your flippance shows you know noting.
Yeah, that was quite inhumane of me. How can I hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from werewolf gangbang authors and used underwear merchants and not despair?
TikTok turned the youth pro Palestine whereas Facebook and Xitter censored it.
If TikTok has the power to “turn” youth into pro Palestine, they can also turn the youth pro China when China invades Taiwan.
TikTok is in its expansion phase so it need to show its good will, but as soon as it is large enough, it will seek to do whatever make them the most money, like everyone else.
Time and time again, big-tech controlled social media have intervened and will continue to intervene with public opinion, Meta, Xitter, TikTok, all in their own ways.
If government decide to ban meta tomorrow, will you object as hard as banning tiktok?
If TikTok has the power to “turn” youth into pro Palestine, they can also turn the youth pro China when China invades Taiwan
You’re not making the argument you think you’re making here. Tiktok showed young people the uncensored truth about the genocide. If showing the uncensored truth about Taiwan makes young people want an invasion by China, then it means China is right?
You would honestly believe a giant media conglomerate and one of the most influential tech monopolies in this hyper-capitalistic world shows people completely unbiased news, just out of the goodness of their heart? For their unconditional love towards the vulnerable underaged population that they intentionally attracted?
So let’s instead confine ourselves to social media from western countries which reflects exclusively western bias, whether through censorship as is the case of Meta/X, or through contributions by overwhelmingly white western men as is the case of Lemmy. Just look at politics.world and see what country most linked articles are from.
Maybe, just maybe, having more diverse options, including social media from other countries not subjected to western bias, could be good? That way maybe you can see some realities hidden by the Chinese government heavily publicised in western social media, and viceversa
And those same youth then gave us an oligarchy, useful fools
The oligarchy has been in charge since before those people were born.
Apathy is the glove into which evil slips its hand
Be better if it was just banned worldwide period and the “TikTok influencer” crowd can go get real jobs and perhaps users can improve their attention spans again.
yawn
Everybody, get off this guy’s lawn!
Good, it’s poison for the mind.
And other social media, like the one you’re using right now, aren’t?
They are. But that’s not why it’s banned. US politicians don’t give a flying fuck about the well being of their citizens. How people don’t realize this yet is ASTONISHING.
They are banning it because they can’t control it. They are happy to feed their citizens propaganda as long as it’s THEIR propaganda.
The only thing the US cares about is whether or not they can control and influence their people. That’s hard to do with TikTok around. But if it’s only Facebook and Twitter? Easy.
