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    A tankie seems to be supporting Russia, with Russians support, defending itself from NATO expansion. Many communities view US empire objective of diminishing Russia to be a supreme right, and the “virtue of democracy” that all demonism must be true.

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    “Progressive” Shitlibs when they allow bigots on their platform and Queer people dont like them

    (Im pretty sure eveyone other than world users hate world)

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    I haven’t been able to take the word “tankie” seriously in most cases since I asked that to someone on Reddit and they linked a meme praising anarchist Catalonia

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      Yeah, it’s kind of lost all meaning. I’ve seen Marxists call Liberals tankies, and I’ve seen Liberals calls Marxists tankies. I’ve seen right wingers call Leftists tankies, and I’ve seen Leftists call Centerists tankies. I know where the word came from, and who the first tankies were but I rarely know what a person’s intent is with that word anymore. Maybe it’s just young people slang now and I’m just too old to get it.

      Because I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I’m with isn’t it anymore and what’s it seems weird and scary. And it’ll happen to you!

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      Whatever you do, don’t look up the numbers of Soviet officials lynched before the tanks were set in, or who the counter-revolutionaries set free from prison to help with the lynching and rioting (spoiler: literal Nazis).

    • CutieBootieTootie [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      Marxist Leninists are defined primarily by two principles:

      • Anti Imperialism / Internationalism
      • Defense and Construction of Socialism

      It means that the Soviet Union was chiefly responsible for ending the Holocaust and supporting liberation struggles around the world. It means Cuba was able to transform itself from a strip-farmed slave and prostitution hell into a Democratic republic governed meaningfully by the Cuban people with dignity and education for all. All across east Asia it’s secured home rule and governments who meaningfully care and are comprised by regular working and peasant peoples. Marxism Leninism is the historical force which has been shown to be most able to grapple with the complex realities of our world dominated by white supremacy and capitalism, and fought back.

      It’s the reason that the supposed atrocities commuted by socialist countries are minor compared to the grand historic crimes of empires like France, Britain, the US, Germany, Japan, etc. Mistakes are made and have been made by socialist countries, sure, of course; but they were the first nations to attempt to meaningfully house people for the sake of housing. They were the first projects to successfully overthrow colonialism, and to raise literacy rates to an absurd degree even higher than in the United States today. These socialist projects need to defend themselves because very few other historical forces have shown anywhere near the potential to make a better world.

      So call it whatever you like, it’ll never erase the monumental good it’s done for the world.

      THIS is why people have a problem with Anti-Communists

      Statistics from 80 days into a ~460 day genocide, Gaza, 2025

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      They have a problem with stopping a fascist counter-revolution that did anti-jewish pogroms and elevated the landlord class in Hungary?

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            When you draw the line of Liberal v Conservative so far to the right it includes George Bush, it ceases to lose all meaning.

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            That is all accurate and I don’t disagree with you. But the picture was of an invasion under Bush, not Clinton, so I responded as such.

            The problem that I take is l:

            Also all American politicians of “both” parties are liberals.

            I’m wondering what your definition of Liberal is. Up until like 2020, it was Liberal v Conservative and when I look it up in the dictionary I get “Relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.”

            But Liberal on Lemmy appears to be anything to the right of a theoretical Star Trek post scarcity utopia.

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              The internationally recognized measure of left-right. Not the uniquely American one that’s skewed all to fuck.

              There is no left at all in American politics. The closest we’ve gotten is Bernie Sanders. He’s a moderate everywhere but here.

            • Both parties in the US share an ideological commitment to capitalism and function as a uniparty to manage the empire. From the CIA Wikipedia

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

              Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, the right to private property and equality before the law.[1][2] Liberals espouse various and often mutually warring views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion.[3] Liberalism is frequently cited as the dominant ideology of modern history.[4][5]: 11

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

              This has some good aspects and is an improvement from the monarchies that came before it but he clear problems that Marx brought into question in the 19th century. As capitalists have progressed, liberalism in the US particularly has become neoliberalism which is not something communists want and is a precursor to fascism. Liberals fight socialists and communists to maintain their private property and capitalism.

              If you are talking in the context as an American of that ridiculous farce of a government “liberals” means the Democratic party, to an anarchist outsider, they are all liberals. I do not believe in or support private property or market economies and think they come in direct opposition to economic and political freedom.

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        I’ve been doing antiwar protests since Iraq- absolutely massive and totally ignored by the government. It was a bit radicalizing.

        I’ve always considered myself an anarchist. These days I get called a tankie just for being opposed to wars and vocally opposing my own governments complicity in genocide. Somehow the meaning of tankie got flipped to mean the people opposed to sending in the tanks. Most ml’s I’ve known are the first people to shit on Khrushchev anyways.

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    You know it’s gotten pretty bad when even the anarchist flag usernames are meming about how ridiculous the anti tankie attitude is.

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      Imo anarchists and people who even lean that way have a big interest in making sure tankie doesn’t get used as an insult for anyone to the left of liberals, real tankies grouped and killed anarchists, letting everyone be called tankies and not just real tankies means Anarchists are less safe.

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        Soviet Union General Secretary Joseph Stalin broke the Non-Intervention Agreement and League of Nations embargo by providing material assistance to the Republican forces, becoming their only source of major weapons.

        From August 1936 onward, over one ship per day arrived at Spain’s Mediterranean ports with Russian aid: munitions, rifles, machine guns, hand grenades, artillery, trucks, Soviet agents, technicians, instructors, and propagandists.

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    in order to combat leftist propaganda lemmy.flatearth is now forcing disinformation onto its communities. The red scare runs deep.

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    the liberals got the world they fought so hard for when USSR was dissolved, against the will of the people, and they havent stopped crying about it since

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      Didn’t it die because everyone including Russia wanted out? Closest to the will of the people for keeping it they got was having the only referendum they ever had be about if USSR should be basically replaced with some other form of union. Which is not great.

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        It died because after a referendum for its dissolution failed, there was a power struggle as the communists tried to prevent Yeltsin from doing it anyway, and Yeltsin ended up ordering tanks to fire on the parliament building until the communist pro-democracy forces surrendered. Then the soviet union broke up and 7 million people died from capitalist shock therapy aided by bourgeois “democratic” governments.

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          It died because after a referendum for its dissolution failed, there was a power struggle as the communists tried to prevent Yeltsin from doing it anyway, and Yeltsin ended up ordering tanks to fire on the parliament building until the communist pro-democracy forces surrendered.

          I thought it was a hardliner coup that tried to stop implementation of the New Union Treaty that people voted for. Funny that they wanted to prevent the decentralization and ended up causing a total decentralization by way of making even this new union unpalatable.

          Soviet Union had a single referendum and it immediately caused a coup and destruction of the whole Union. No wonder they didn’t want to have them before lel