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      Or just get shoved into an internment camp, forced onto a plantation farm, or shot and shoved into a ditch.

      Look at how our private prisons already operate. So much of this feels like its moving towards state sanctioned kidnapping, forced labor, and mass executions.

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    I know a military member who was born to one illegal parent who later became legal so the rest of the family is just fine except for this one person.

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      The economics of the country is fundamentally fucked. Migrants aren’t “paying their way”, they’re “being exploited for profit and then disposed of”. Legal status is used as a qualifier for the right to minimum wage, to organize, and access to permanent property. When you can criminalize an employee for their place of birth, you can drastically renegotiate the terms and conditions of employment.

      Add to the math how Mexico’s current national government has taken a hard left term. The AMLO government dramatically reformed labor relations, boosted domestic income, and improved housing and mass transit in the poorer states. His successor is going full New Deal on the Mexican economy, boosting employment and raising the standards of living with international trade across the Pacific.

      Increasingly, people just south of the border don’t want to come to the US, which means we’ve had to turn to nations like Haiti and Venezuela and El Salvador to offset or demand for dirt cheap “illegal” migrant labor. Because these migrants can’t legally afford to travel, they’re being moved under financial schemes that treat them as indentured servants.

      Close to Slavery: Guestworker Programs in the United States

      From 2013, but the conditions have only grown more extreme. In my home town of Houston, you’ll meet people who have effectively been trafficked working in restaurants and as part of cleaning services in hotels and out in the fields or deep within warehouses doing “the work Americans don’t want to do”. People who have their documentation seized and held as condition for repayment of debts. People who have loved ones effectively held hostage by their employers. People who recognize ICE as a tool of the employer to break up labor revolts and trap employees in jobs they want to quit.

      Migrants aren’t paying anything. They’re being robbed at gunpoint.

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    I’m 4th generation American, my Mexican wife is 3rd generation, I often wonder what length of time those idiots classify as American enough.

    But remember, native Americans aren’t thought to be real Americans, so it’s a wee bit of a shit show.

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      whatever length of time it takes for you to become rich white Christians.

      ita not really about how long youve been here, and it hasn’t for a long time. maybe it never was

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      I was just reading about how Navajo and other Native peoples are being detained even if they show their Indian status cards (sorry idk the American name) because ICE doesn’t recognize them as legitimate proof of citizenship…

      Where the fuck you gonna deport them to?

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        Where the fuck you gonna deport them to?

        Work camps to be used as slave labor is my bet if we’re talking mask off open fascism becoming the norm in the USA.

        I really despise trump voters by now, I could forgive them the first time but after his first term and all the rest of everything these fuckers are either willfully ignorant or actually subscribe to his rhetoric and fucked up beliefs which is worse. There’s no redeeming them at this point I’m afraid.

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          The first time we were all right to feel uncertain, and with time even the more “normal” GOP members of his administration were turned off by the shit show and spoke out against him. Who concerns me most is whoever spoke out against him, especially after Jan 6 and come this election cycle are the Trumpiest of all the new MAGA supporters (cough cough Vance). As they say, you can’t do the same thing more than once and expect a different result.

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      I’m just going to start asking my family for their papers.

      “I was born here!”

      Doesn’t matter any more, your orange puppet-king said so.

      “My parents were born here!”

      See above. Got proof? No? So sorry.

      “Something something Ellis Island!”

      Yeah, that’s the story that everyone tells themselves. More likely that it was just a random boat at a random port (or beach) and your vaunted ancestors just started… you know, living here.

      Papers, please.

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        Straight up this

        I know how my family got here back in the day and my relatives know too and yet a bunch of them still voted for the evil cheeto.

        3 brothers got on a boat from Ireland during the Potato Famine, 1 died on the way over. 1 stayed on the East Coast and the other, struck with wanderlust, went out West.

        I’m descended from the wanderlust brother.

        They didn’t go through Ellis Island, they were stowaways.

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    Honestly, I though he was lying when he promised that.

    He is doing all the destructive things he promised he’d do, and amazingly quickly.

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      He’s trying to. Right now it’s a firehose of bad policy designed to suppress, but it’s important to strongly oppose on as many fronts as possible because a lot of this can and will get shut down if we try. This administration is counting on apathy to get away with this shit, and I think it’s important to separate our expectations of these actions from acceptance of these actions.

      Call or write your congressmembers. Find a protest going on near you. Don’t talk to cops/ICE. Contact your state attorney general about what they’re doing to sue for your rights. Download archives of the webpages the feds are taking down and distribute to those who need it. Talk to your neighbors, your community, and see about who needs help from mutual aid, and get resources where they can be used. Donate to someone’s gofundme to get needed healthcare.

      Anyone reading this, just do any action that makes the world marginally better right now. You can’t solve all this by yourself, none of us can, but we can all do a little to push us in the right direction.