Red lobster went under and these guys still exist
Hey I saw a red lobster today, they’re still here. 3 kinds of shrimp for $22!
He’s not wrong. He was speaking in the implied scope of capitalism. Where u can’t do something that cheap because without the ability to hit a huge payout for investors noone will fund you.
We’re just seeing that capitalism can’t compete with an economy that can produce stuff without making investors rich.
Chinese economy is even more capitalist if that’s possible.
Probably should point out that DeepSeek is owned by a Chinese hedge fund. They specialize in algorithmic trading. Can’t get much more capitalist than that. Very happy to see Chinese capitalists release an open source model. No doubt Altman and cronies will seek protection under the guise of national security. I guess free market competition is only good when you are not getting your arse kicked.
Good detail added, I did not know that. But they’re still doing so with a much smaller payout than if they tried to compete the way a US capitalist would through a closed source full ownership model.
Granted there are some important differences both culturally and in the way the countries operate but keep in mind that Chinese enterprises have been so successful that they have become aspirational for some western entrepreneurs.
Musk desperately wants X to become another WeChat and to have a similar cosy relationship with government that TenCent enjoys. In a one party state that sort of arrangement is kind of inevitable. A huge proportion of TenCent staff are CCP members and they co-operate to protect the Chinese state. In a multi-party democracy that sort of arrangement is extremely dangerous. We need to maintain a diversity of thought which requires limiting the influence of wealthy individuals and the platforms they control.
Altman appears to have sold the idea that ClosedAI can establish a monopoly in the space and charge rent to regurgitate the sum of human knowledge and experience without receiving permission or paying just compensation. I am relieved to see that being shaken though I will be more relieved if they collapsed.
I hope that normal people will now realize how full of sh*t he is. They won’t, but DON’T TAKE THIS FROM ME
There’s no way I believe that Deepseek was made for the $5m figure I’ve seen floating around.
But that doesn’t matter. If it cost $15m, $50m, $500m, or even more than that, it’s probably worth it to take a dump in Sam Altman’s morning coffee.
DeepSeek claimed the model training took 2,788 thousand H800 GPU hours, which, at a cost of $2/GPU hour, comes out to a mere $5.576 million.
That seems impossibly low.
DeepSeek is clear that these costs are only for the final training run, and exclude all other expenses
There would have been many other runs before the release version.
How about that: venture capitalists don’t know what’s going on in the market any more than anyone else does. They’re just arrogant because they have metric shit-tons of money.
There is no downside to lying these days. Yet the public seems surprised that all they see is lying.
So many people don’t even question it. Talk loud and confidently enough and that’s the bar for most unfortunately.
TikTok, Instagram and similar are great examples of this, initially you think wow cool I’m seeing all of these new things and getting so much info. Then you see someone come up on a topic you know something about and the facade breaks when all they do is spew misinformation that attracts a crowd (usually via fear).
And then the hordes of sycophant DinkDonkers repeat their detritus over every comment thread they can
I kind of suspect this is as much about A.I. progress hitting a wall as anything else. It doesn’t seem like any of the LLMs are improving much between versions anymore. The U.S. companies were just throwing more compute (and money/electricity) at the problem and seeing small gains but it’ll be awhile before the next breakthrough.
Kind of like self-driving cars during their hype cycle. They felt tantalizingly close 10 years ago or so but then progress stalled and it’s been a slow grind ever since.
I think with a lot of technologies the first 95% is easy but the last 5% becomes exponentially harder.
With LLMs though I think the problem is conflating them with other forms of intelligence.
They’re amazingly good at forming sentences, but they’re unable to do real actual work.
It’s called the 80/20 rule. The first 80% is the easy part.
I’m sure Altman forcing out all the actual brains on the board of OpenAI, like Chief Research Scientist https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Sutskever, has nothing to do with this or their rapidly declining lead in the field.
Id say their lead is over.
Im enjoying all the capitalist oligarchs losing their minds over Deepseek destroying the piles of money they were already counting in their heads. It’s not much, but it’s something.
Not just deepseek, but everyone else who is now forking R1 and training for their specific use case.
Corpo parasite took over before the nerd could make the company great.
Gets Cucked by the Chinese
There is some justice out there.
Sounds like something a rapist would say.
The amount of people spamming ‘deepseek’ on YouTube comments and live streams is insane. Definitely have a shit load of shadow funding
I find the online cheerleading for AI and AGI strange. It feels like a frothing mob rooting for the unleashing of a monster at times.
I mean, a lot of it is just people who started using chatgpt to do some simple and boring task (writing an email, CV, or summarizing and article) and started thinking that it’s the best thing since sliced bread.
I would know that since I’m an university student. I know the limitations of current AI stuff so I can cautiously use it for certain tasks and don’t trust the output to be correct. Meanwhile, my friend thought that he was making chatgpt better at answering his multiple choice economics quiz by telling it which of the answers it gave was wrong…
Seems to actually be some press about it too, I was surprised to see Bbc, Reuters and new york post write about it.
But yeah, it’s very interesting what they have made here.
While I tend to avoid conspiracy theory type thinking, the nature of modern social makes it very easy to run astroturfing/botting campaigns. It’s reasonable to be suspicious.
It’s easy to write a bot. You just ask
ChatGPTDeepSeek for the code.Bot campaigns seem pretty cheap when your business is making chat bots
Or if you have access to click farm type propoganda resources
Or you’re a government with endless funds at your disposal.
Sam Altman is full of shit? Nooooooooooo
DeepSeek: “no u”
The greatest irony would be if OpenAI was killed by an open AI
I don’t mind
Not only would it be the greatest irony, it would be the best outcome for humanity. Fuck ClosedAI
i’ll allow it.
Does the elephant call the ant hopeless?
One of them is threatened with extinction. ;-)
