My question still stands: rape regarding trump, and murder in this circumstance—what’s the difference?
It wasn’t the oligarchs that suggested nonviolence, sweet lord; hate only ever breeds more hate, evil only ever makes more evil. Love (selflessness, i.e., logic and reason) is the only true remedy, as proved in gaining India’s independence, and in eliminating the Jim Crow Laws here in America as a couple examples; not to mention leading to mankinds first experimenting with Democracy in ancient Geeece: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codrus
Most of Greece fell to Tyrant rule for the next 400ish years, while Athens stood tall to practice this system of Archons, leading to 9 more positions regarding things like their judiciary system and religion.
Do you think we could have loved the Nazis into standing down and stopping their genocide?
Do you think you can love a sociopath capitalist murdering for profit into no longer doing so?
Do you think plotting to run up and Hug Brian would have saved a single life? Because BlueCross, at least for now, reversed a policy to deny enough anesthesia for surgeries because of what Luigi allegedly did. He brought about positive change to some, for now, however temporary.
I don’t believe in justice in another life there’s no evidence of. Loving hate just gets you mowed down, this isn’t a fairy tale or a movie. If we want to turn an unjust world into a just one, good vibes won’t cut it when the people in charge don’t even view us as people due to no meaningful net worth.
Yeah, I can assure you, returning good for evil done is far from a fairy tale or movie, and a slap in the face to all the people that have given their lives for its cause and its potential.
We’ve always retaliated throughout history, and it only ever got us more and more retaliation; it only ever puts a reason to retaliate in someone’s lap. The tickle of love or hate in the world both begins and ends with the individual.
You say that as if this is a retaliation, then peace, then retaliation.
United Healthcare murdered people for profit yesterday. They are today. They will tomorrow. This is an active attack. An active slaughter is upon the people, though the owners just call it business, whether we would fight back or not.
Don’t confuse quiet for peace. We haven’t had peace here in decades.
I’m well aware. The problem here in this circumstance is that you’re assuming by choosing to eliminate the one, that it will save the majority. The variable asbcent in that circumstance is the fact that it doesn’t matter how many CEO’s you kill, how many of what you—based off the standards that have been taught to you—consider the worst of the world you eliminate or lock up, there will always be just as much evil and selfishness to replace the evil you eliminate via the same such means.
Evil, hate and selfishness are an ignorance—a lack of knowledge, but of the true value of virtue; being abscent the other side of it, etc. This is what warrants any amount of it to any degree infinite forgiveness. Because it’s a blindness, all lack of knowledge; you don’t until you know. This would of course include the true value of virtue. We wouldn’t hate a blind person for walking into things and making mistakes that are a result of them abscent the ability to see all together. This is what any amount of lack of knowledge—ignorance is: a blindness. So at the core of all this is a knowledge that needs teaching, and people aren’t going to want to hear logic and reason (love) if you’re screaming at them, or insulting them, threatening them etc.
The moment we hate and murder like them is the moment we become them.
I would say such a view means you couldn’t love your own children, not being willing to fight those that would, given the opportunity, take money for your child’s care, then deny that care when they needed it to live.
That’s like a cow knowing their child is about to get the piston to their skull and telling their child to love the pistoner with grace. Very Jesus-y, but an awful parent.
It’s a delicate point of view in general ill admit, in this situation specifically I would do all I can do to defend. I absolutely wouldn’t go and assassinate some guy that if any of us were in his shoes, with how he came out biologically and the contemporaries and their influence all their life, would be doing the exact same thing he was lead to think as right, true and just. It’s what’s called: “taking oaths” I guess. Convincing yourself that all you know now is not only all that’s worth knowing, but is no longer up for question, and that would then therefore lead you into any harm, hate or iniquity to any degree; the influence of our contemporaries or peers are a massive wieght in the “oaths” we take, so to speak, hence racism.
We’re all just as vulnerable to becoming what we presently consider as the worst of the world, we’ve just been lucky enough to be abscent the variables and influences that make them so.
This is a salient point. Dethroning the ones in charge by the same means they use (hate, division, etc.) will put someone new on the throne. But using the same means, you’ve now established a rule of law that works in the way they like to look at the world - with hate. With retribution. It’s a cycle. It needs to be broken.
Dethroning the ones in charge by the same means they use (hate, division, etc.)
The insurance industry does not hate the people they kill. It’s cold and passionless; it’s simply business. And it was hardly divisive, just look at the surprising approval in polls. It really only divides the upper class abusing the masses from the masses themselves, a division which already existed.
This is not cyclic. Doing nothing was cyclic. This is the way out of the cycle of mass social murder. This isn’t some symmetrical dispute of vengeance between neighbors or factions, this is oppression by a minority ruling class of sociopaths. You don’t need to hate them to know they’re passionless mass murderers with legal approval.
We’ve always retaliated throughout history, and it only ever got us more and more retaliation; it only ever puts a reason to retaliate in someone’s lap.
Who retaliated on the Allies for winning WWII?
Did the world get worse when the war ended?
Did the Nazis stop of their own accord, or did someone have to fight them?
You’re pretending as if you’ve never heard of Popper’s paradox of tolerance or indeed understand that justifies self-defenses can’t exist.
If a 50kg woman was regularly raped and beaten by their 200kg muscly husband and never allowed to leave the house, would it be unreasonable for the woman to kill the man in his sleep? In this hypothetical she can not run or contact anyone for help.
She should be a peaceful individual and accept that it’s her responsibility to be non-violent so the world is a better place and to to keep just taking the beatings and the rapes?
What does that have to do with the relevance of returning the evil of that war with good?
This still doesn’t prove the irrelevance of it becasue who can say what else would’ve happened if evils to this degree were met with equal parts good?
I thought we were talking about war here? More specifically even murdering a CEO as a matter of fact. Of course that person should be trying to escape, people have a tendency of not looking at this idea reasonably, and especially to ge off topic and use these specific situations where of course we should be using any means necessary to get ourselves out in that situation. I didn’t realize world peace rested on this women trying to change the mind of this one serial killer apparently, I’m assuming.
9/11 has nothing to do with WW2 and everything to do with punishing america for its military adventures in the Middle East where it hurt - the center of the financial system.
You sound young and naive and probably not around for the pre 9/11 world. In summary, bin Laden won.
I’m not saying they’re related I’m saying 9/11 would be an example of some of the woes that come with returning evil with evil. Like Japan learned unfortunately. Doesn’t mean however that it stopped anything in the future to happen as a result of it. That we more potentially gained a permanent enemy if anything.
We wouldn’t be appealing to the Nazi’s in this regard, we would’ve been appealing to the people of Germany, and the soldiers—the men that made up the Nazi regime.
My question still stands: rape regarding trump, and murder in this circumstance—what’s the difference?
How many examples of public political rapes can you find?
Lt. Commander Data: But if that is so, Captain, why are their methods so often successful? I’ve been reviewing the history of armed rebellion, and it appears that terrorism is an effective way to promote political change.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: Yes, it can be. But I have never subscribed to the theory that political power flows from the barrel of a gun.
Lt. Commander Data: Yet there are numerous examples when it was successful: the independence of the Mexican state from Spain, the Irish Unification of 2024, and the Kenzie Rebellion.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: Yes, I am aware of them.
Lt. Commander Data: Then would it be accurate to say that terrorism is acceptable, when all options for peaceful settlement have been foreclosed?
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: Data, these are questions that mankind has been struggling with throughout history. Your confusion is… only Human.
My friend. I absolutely did not say what you said that I said. Again, I said: people championing a rapist on one side, and the other championing a murderer—what’s the difference?
My apologies my friend didn’t mean to offend in anyway, no need to be so angry about it and insult.
My question has yet to be rebuked by saying what exactly makes one’s rape or murder any different from anothers. It’s still rape or murder either way you look at it; no matter how justified you think it is.
I can repost my at length response as to who is murdered and why matters, your response to it would indicate you don’t see the someone murdering an active murderer, or a member of a mass murder movement, as any different than any random murder of hatred or convenience.
Eva Braun apparently just didn’t love Adolf enough to mend his heart.
So who you rape matters? So if Trump raped what he considers as the worst of the world or someone he considers that deserves it and that it’s unquestionably justified for doing so, that makes it okay?
You’re the one that keeps conflating rape and murder for some reason. Every point I’ve made has been about how the reasons and subject of murder creates nuance. I think rape and murder are different discussions entirely. Rape is a purely hedonistic act, you can murder in self-defense, or to save others like by ending a war by cutting off the head.
People can and do murder for selfless reasons, knowing they will suffer or die as a result as a shield for those that stand behind them.
And again I ask you: what’s the difference between your reasoning that leads you to consider murder as justified, and the reasoning of even the very man you’re accusing? Even if it’s Hitler for God’s sake; by making the claim you’re stating that your justifications to what you consider as justified murder aren’t any different from if they came from Trumps reasoning. Murder is murder, even if it’s seen as something that’s being done for good. Because on the other side of things their convinced of the same thing.
I think your problem is believing you can defeat darkness with light, when the reality is that just gets light crucified and bathes all in perpetual darkness. The unfortunate truth is darkness, whether the fires of hatred or the bone chill of sociopathic greed, only responds to the force they’re so eager to dole out. Light, goodness, benevolence is by its nature amenable, and it is that very benevolence, that flexible, amenable, “can’t we compromise and both exist?” that malelevolence uses to gain dominion, and it never offers the same. Benevolence, when left with no other recourse, must choose to take up the tools so comfortable to malevolence, murder, or be extinguished ie go along which means you’re no longer benevolent, just another compliant subject of the malevolent, and thus complicit.
Oh, Ok, I’m sorry, I inferred a higher level of query when I should have just taken it at face value.
RAPE: unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the person subjected to such penetration.
MURDER: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
So who you rape matters? So if Trump raped what he considers as the worst of the world or someone he considers that deserves it and that it’s unquestionably justified for doing so, that makes it okay?
The conversation is about murder, not rape. The purpose of rape is to personally gain sexual satisfaction, or to hurt someone for the sake of it. That is not the case here, and it’s a false equivalency.
The original question was specifically: people championing a rapist (Trump), people championing a murderer (Luigi)—what’s the difference? Both are championing a great act of terrible violence, both sides just as convinced as the other of its justification; murder is murder, it doesn’t matter if it’s Hitler or yet another CEO to be replaced. Rape is rape, murder is murder, bad is bad—no matter the extent we take oaths to how justified it is for doing so.
From my point of view, it wasn’t. World War 2 was nothing but violence tumbleweeding into more and more. Who can say how many less lives would have been forced into losing if we would’ve been appealing to the people of Germany and the men that make up its army—that have been dooped by Hitlers propaganda for years regarding Jews. Nothing but incessant of the opposite of what the Nazi’s had to offer would have woken them up from all their “oath-taking” so to speak, to stop it from continuing as long as it did.
My question still stands: rape regarding trump, and murder in this circumstance—what’s the difference?
It wasn’t the oligarchs that suggested nonviolence, sweet lord; hate only ever breeds more hate, evil only ever makes more evil. Love (selflessness, i.e., logic and reason) is the only true remedy, as proved in gaining India’s independence, and in eliminating the Jim Crow Laws here in America as a couple examples; not to mention leading to mankinds first experimenting with Democracy in ancient Geeece: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codrus
Most of Greece fell to Tyrant rule for the next 400ish years, while Athens stood tall to practice this system of Archons, leading to 9 more positions regarding things like their judiciary system and religion.
Do you think we could have loved the Nazis into standing down and stopping their genocide?
Do you think you can love a sociopath capitalist murdering for profit into no longer doing so?
Do you think plotting to run up and Hug Brian would have saved a single life? Because BlueCross, at least for now, reversed a policy to deny enough anesthesia for surgeries because of what Luigi allegedly did. He brought about positive change to some, for now, however temporary.
I don’t believe in justice in another life there’s no evidence of. Loving hate just gets you mowed down, this isn’t a fairy tale or a movie. If we want to turn an unjust world into a just one, good vibes won’t cut it when the people in charge don’t even view us as people due to no meaningful net worth.
Yeah, I can assure you, returning good for evil done is far from a fairy tale or movie, and a slap in the face to all the people that have given their lives for its cause and its potential.
We’ve always retaliated throughout history, and it only ever got us more and more retaliation; it only ever puts a reason to retaliate in someone’s lap. The tickle of love or hate in the world both begins and ends with the individual.
You say that as if this is a retaliation, then peace, then retaliation.
United Healthcare murdered people for profit yesterday. They are today. They will tomorrow. This is an active attack. An active slaughter is upon the people, though the owners just call it business, whether we would fight back or not.
Don’t confuse quiet for peace. We haven’t had peace here in decades.
No amount of murder justifies the murder of even one.
I’m not sure what you mean by the peace retaliation bit, can you explain?
Are you familiar with the trolley problem?
I’m well aware. The problem here in this circumstance is that you’re assuming by choosing to eliminate the one, that it will save the majority. The variable asbcent in that circumstance is the fact that it doesn’t matter how many CEO’s you kill, how many of what you—based off the standards that have been taught to you—consider the worst of the world you eliminate or lock up, there will always be just as much evil and selfishness to replace the evil you eliminate via the same such means.
Evil, hate and selfishness are an ignorance—a lack of knowledge, but of the true value of virtue; being abscent the other side of it, etc. This is what warrants any amount of it to any degree infinite forgiveness. Because it’s a blindness, all lack of knowledge; you don’t until you know. This would of course include the true value of virtue. We wouldn’t hate a blind person for walking into things and making mistakes that are a result of them abscent the ability to see all together. This is what any amount of lack of knowledge—ignorance is: a blindness. So at the core of all this is a knowledge that needs teaching, and people aren’t going to want to hear logic and reason (love) if you’re screaming at them, or insulting them, threatening them etc.
The moment we hate and murder like them is the moment we become them.
I would say such a view means you couldn’t love your own children, not being willing to fight those that would, given the opportunity, take money for your child’s care, then deny that care when they needed it to live.
That’s like a cow knowing their child is about to get the piston to their skull and telling their child to love the pistoner with grace. Very Jesus-y, but an awful parent.
It’s a delicate point of view in general ill admit, in this situation specifically I would do all I can do to defend. I absolutely wouldn’t go and assassinate some guy that if any of us were in his shoes, with how he came out biologically and the contemporaries and their influence all their life, would be doing the exact same thing he was lead to think as right, true and just. It’s what’s called: “taking oaths” I guess. Convincing yourself that all you know now is not only all that’s worth knowing, but is no longer up for question, and that would then therefore lead you into any harm, hate or iniquity to any degree; the influence of our contemporaries or peers are a massive wieght in the “oaths” we take, so to speak, hence racism.
We’re all just as vulnerable to becoming what we presently consider as the worst of the world, we’ve just been lucky enough to be abscent the variables and influences that make them so.
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My apologies, please forgive me. Good day to you and happy new year my friend.
This is a salient point. Dethroning the ones in charge by the same means they use (hate, division, etc.) will put someone new on the throne. But using the same means, you’ve now established a rule of law that works in the way they like to look at the world - with hate. With retribution. It’s a cycle. It needs to be broken.
The insurance industry does not hate the people they kill. It’s cold and passionless; it’s simply business. And it was hardly divisive, just look at the surprising approval in polls. It really only divides the upper class abusing the masses from the masses themselves, a division which already existed.
This is not cyclic. Doing nothing was cyclic. This is the way out of the cycle of mass social murder. This isn’t some symmetrical dispute of vengeance between neighbors or factions, this is oppression by a minority ruling class of sociopaths. You don’t need to hate them to know they’re passionless mass murderers with legal approval.
Appreciate this comment well said my friend, refreshing to hear.
Who retaliated on the Allies for winning WWII?
Did the world get worse when the war ended?
Did the Nazis stop of their own accord, or did someone have to fight them?
You’re pretending as if you’ve never heard of Popper’s paradox of tolerance or indeed understand that justifies self-defenses can’t exist.
If a 50kg woman was regularly raped and beaten by their 200kg muscly husband and never allowed to leave the house, would it be unreasonable for the woman to kill the man in his sleep? In this hypothetical she can not run or contact anyone for help.
She should be a peaceful individual and accept that it’s her responsibility to be non-violent so the world is a better place and to to keep just taking the beatings and the rapes?
We have yet to see. 9/11 ring any bells?
What does that have to do with the relevance of returning the evil of that war with good?
This still doesn’t prove the irrelevance of it becasue who can say what else would’ve happened if evils to this degree were met with equal parts good?
I thought we were talking about war here? More specifically even murdering a CEO as a matter of fact. Of course that person should be trying to escape, people have a tendency of not looking at this idea reasonably, and especially to ge off topic and use these specific situations where of course we should be using any means necessary to get ourselves out in that situation. I didn’t realize world peace rested on this women trying to change the mind of this one serial killer apparently, I’m assuming.
9/11 has nothing to do with WW2 and everything to do with punishing america for its military adventures in the Middle East where it hurt - the center of the financial system.
You sound young and naive and probably not around for the pre 9/11 world. In summary, bin Laden won.
I’m not saying they’re related I’m saying 9/11 would be an example of some of the woes that come with returning evil with evil. Like Japan learned unfortunately. Doesn’t mean however that it stopped anything in the future to happen as a result of it. That we more potentially gained a permanent enemy if anything.
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In what world is a 50kg woman obese??
I even put cereal killer instead of serial lmao
Lol you’re right I think over exaggerated the numbers in my mind for some reason, disregard that.
We wouldn’t be appealing to the Nazi’s in this regard, we would’ve been appealing to the people of Germany, and the soldiers—the men that made up the Nazi regime.
How many examples of public political rapes can you find?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiaUusr7YdY
How does this answer my question? I’m not following.
How many public political rapes in history can you mention?
I can list you pages and pages and pages of political murders.
How does naming all of that answer my question?
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My friend. I absolutely did not say what you said that I said. Again, I said: people championing a rapist on one side, and the other championing a murderer—what’s the difference?
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My apologies my friend didn’t mean to offend in anyway, no need to be so angry about it and insult.
My question has yet to be rebuked by saying what exactly makes one’s rape or murder any different from anothers. It’s still rape or murder either way you look at it; no matter how justified you think it is.
It was literally just explained to you.
I tried to 🤷
You got more patience than I do, so props to you.
You didn’t though. If so, would you care to explain further? And make sure to answer the question directly this time.
I can repost my at length response as to who is murdered and why matters, your response to it would indicate you don’t see the someone murdering an active murderer, or a member of a mass murder movement, as any different than any random murder of hatred or convenience.
Eva Braun apparently just didn’t love Adolf enough to mend his heart.
So who you rape matters? So if Trump raped what he considers as the worst of the world or someone he considers that deserves it and that it’s unquestionably justified for doing so, that makes it okay?
You’re the one that keeps conflating rape and murder for some reason. Every point I’ve made has been about how the reasons and subject of murder creates nuance. I think rape and murder are different discussions entirely. Rape is a purely hedonistic act, you can murder in self-defense, or to save others like by ending a war by cutting off the head.
People can and do murder for selfless reasons, knowing they will suffer or die as a result as a shield for those that stand behind them.
And again I ask you: what’s the difference between your reasoning that leads you to consider murder as justified, and the reasoning of even the very man you’re accusing? Even if it’s Hitler for God’s sake; by making the claim you’re stating that your justifications to what you consider as justified murder aren’t any different from if they came from Trumps reasoning. Murder is murder, even if it’s seen as something that’s being done for good. Because on the other side of things their convinced of the same thing.
I think your problem is believing you can defeat darkness with light, when the reality is that just gets light crucified and bathes all in perpetual darkness. The unfortunate truth is darkness, whether the fires of hatred or the bone chill of sociopathic greed, only responds to the force they’re so eager to dole out. Light, goodness, benevolence is by its nature amenable, and it is that very benevolence, that flexible, amenable, “can’t we compromise and both exist?” that malelevolence uses to gain dominion, and it never offers the same. Benevolence, when left with no other recourse, must choose to take up the tools so comfortable to malevolence, murder, or be extinguished ie go along which means you’re no longer benevolent, just another compliant subject of the malevolent, and thus complicit.
My original question was: Rape in trumps regard, and murder in this one—what’s the difference?
Oh, Ok, I’m sorry, I inferred a higher level of query when I should have just taken it at face value.
RAPE: unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the person subjected to such penetration.
MURDER: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
No it wasn’t. If so, please kindly reply to me with it quoted so I can understand more clearly. Thank you.
So who you rape matters? So if Trump raped what he considers as the worst of the world or someone he considers that deserves it and that it’s unquestionably justified for doing so, that makes it okay?
The conversation is about murder, not rape. The purpose of rape is to personally gain sexual satisfaction, or to hurt someone for the sake of it. That is not the case here, and it’s a false equivalency.
The original question was specifically: people championing a rapist (Trump), people championing a murderer (Luigi)—what’s the difference? Both are championing a great act of terrible violence, both sides just as convinced as the other of its justification; murder is murder, it doesn’t matter if it’s Hitler or yet another CEO to be replaced. Rape is rape, murder is murder, bad is bad—no matter the extent we take oaths to how justified it is for doing so.
Was it morally acceptable for allied soldiers to kill nazis?
From my point of view, it wasn’t. World War 2 was nothing but violence tumbleweeding into more and more. Who can say how many less lives would have been forced into losing if we would’ve been appealing to the people of Germany and the men that make up its army—that have been dooped by Hitlers propaganda for years regarding Jews. Nothing but incessant of the opposite of what the Nazi’s had to offer would have woken them up from all their “oath-taking” so to speak, to stop it from continuing as long as it did.