Dude, I just said it’s not indentured servitude.

I never said the system wasn’t broken, in fact I’m on one of those horrible visas now.

Without strong and trusted mods, this will be interesting…

Also, down votes aren’t supposed to be for people who are correcting you (or people you disagree with 😘)

That doesn’t contradict what I said? It matches everything I’ve said as well. And there’s a 60 day grace period generally speaking. Can you define and name any similar with indentured servitude?

That isn’t the rule for h1b visas.

If you want to simplify it, then it’d be If you want to live and work in a country, you have to be sponsored by a company. If you’re laid off, you have 60 days to find another sponsor

I’m not doing either of those things. You made a claim by misunderstanding terms for hyperbole. I said that your claim isn’t true. You backed up your claim with more hyperbole. I rebutted that with how it’s standard practice globally and even in within a larger scope is a more reasonable standard.

QED, the US visa program is not indentured servitude, by colloquial or exact definitions, and not ultra-capitalistic by any stretch. These are not whataboutism or dodging. They directly address your statements.

All countries have some sort of work for visa program, which by itself is not indentured servitude. And given there are non ultra-capitalistic countries that also have it, the practice is also not “as far as one can get”.

Hell, to group the US 's visa program in with the ones that literally end with slavery (and are actually like what you described) is just poor form.

Well yeah, that comes with any sort of immigration setup.

It can be, but isn’t a guarantee. All countries do this to an extent, some do it better than others. You calling it the wrong thing trying to drive a point home with hyperbole isn’t helpful to anyone.

Tying a visa to an employer is not indentured servitude.

Who notices that someone is better at mounting tvs? How does one notice this? What is this made up scenario?