IT workers aren’t “Tech Bros”. Real Tech Bros are usually people with zero knowledge trying to profit from IT workers. They use them to build their scams.
Just to add to your point, statistically tech workers are disproportionately democrat voters. I’m not sure about higher ups, but it would surprise me if they were disproportionately pro-trump
Not on H1B they not.
(as they can’t even vote)
I wouldn’t be surprised if they flipped when the money started rolling in. My guess is:
Democrat -> “Independent” Libertarian voting Republican -> “Fiscally conservative” Republican
There is already a strong “I did this on my own” and “i make enough money to not need a union” sentiment in IT as an industry. Plenty of people that are “experts in one thing, so I must be an expert in everything.” It is a field that favors autodidacts, so these myths self reinforce very easily.
The majority are left leaning, but it’s not an overwhelming majority. Maybe 60/40. This policy will fuck conservative IT people, for sure.
I am a staff engineer (contractor), most of us are not adverse to unionization. But we need a massive labor movement to cling onto it seems. The spark doesn’t appear like it will happen within us, gotta be external by my view of it. The engineer today is just not often politically aware or active because of the stress of the workplace environment
a field that favors autodidacts
I feel personally attacked.
IT is just DIY with fewer letters. Even the “clouds” just add their own layers for you to deal with.
H1-B visa holders are essentially indentured servants. If they lose their job, they get deported and then it’s back to living 12 to a room in Bangalore.
I’m honestly surprised that Elon isn’t just pushing that angle as a positive.
Not just H1-B, nearly all issued work visas are like that.
For real, he could live cam their miserable existence and say, “See how these minorities suffer for American profits!”
Then the fireworks go off and an eagle screams. The audience cheers!
Tying a visa to an employer is not indentured servitude.
You call it whatever you want to call it. “You work at this specific company or we kick you out of the country” is as exploitive and ultra-capitalistic as you can get.
It can be, but isn’t a guarantee. All countries do this to an extent, some do it better than others. You calling it the wrong thing trying to drive a point home with hyperbole isn’t helpful to anyone.
“All countries” do not have the U.S. H1-B visa program, which is what we are discussing.
All countries have some sort of work for visa program, which by itself is not indentured servitude. And given there are non ultra-capitalistic countries that also have it, the practice is also not “as far as one can get”.
Hell, to group the US 's visa program in with the ones that literally end with slavery (and are actually like what you described) is just poor form.
Again, we are specifically talking about one country’s visa program and you are downplaying the draconian nature of it with a lot of dodging and whataboutism.
I’m not doing either of those things. You made a claim by misunderstanding terms for hyperbole. I said that your claim isn’t true. You backed up your claim with more hyperbole. I rebutted that with how it’s standard practice globally and even in within a larger scope is a more reasonable standard.
QED, the US visa program is not indentured servitude, by colloquial or exact definitions, and not ultra-capitalistic by any stretch. These are not whataboutism or dodging. They directly address your statements.
In reality we have examples of abuse in the US. When Twitter did all of that strange s*** when Musk took over, it was widely reported that foreign hires couldn’t quit because they didn’t have other jobs lined up. That’s one example but we can find countless other examples of similar situations. So the reality is that the program is abusive in the US. And in I think all other countries that have similar programs, because of course it is. It’s very difficult to find a new job in 2 months, and there’s no guarantee that the new job would be better than the old job, which means your bosses have the ability to f*** with you, and they know it, and you know it, and many of them have and will.
What could be done instead is to change the program. Even if you require people to come over with a sponsored application, don’t make them find a new job within 2 months. Simply allow them to reside in the country until the visa expires, regardless of employment status. Or, to make it even better, issue the visa based on qualifications and don’t even require a sponsor in order to get a visa. In the latter case, all of the visa holders would no longer be getting s*** pay. They would be on the same pay scale as American citizen employees. Or give them citizenship after two years. It’s laughably easy to brainstorm fixes to the broken system, but you won’t even recognize that the system is broken.
Dude, I just said it’s not indentured servitude.
I never said the system wasn’t broken, in fact I’m on one of those horrible visas now.
What you’re saying is possibly true in theory, but in fact all we have to do is look around everywhere in the world that has this type of visa to find abuses. The abuses are guaranteed, and the rate of abuse varies based on how active the government is at punishing bad employers.
No, but it does allow abuse. I’ve worked at places where the h1-b wages were lower than market rate cause they can’t really leave (they can, but finding another sponsor isn’t easy or without risks).
Well yeah, that comes with any sort of immigration setup.
As someone who has worked outside of the US on an “immigrant visa”, I was paid normal wages and treated like a normal employee. I also could quit and look for any job I wanted. I don’t know anything about H1B, but substandard treatment definitely shouldn’t be expected just because you’re an immigrant.
“Tech slaves apply here”
I wonder when the magards will realize they’ve been played for the fools they are. It would be funny - and a little bit reassuring - if they massively turned against their racehorse before Jan 20…
The fact that the pendulum could swing so far so fast is an indication of how fucking long and exhausting the next 4 years will be. I’m too old for this shit.
Actually it’s an indication of how desperate Americans are, or how stupid they are. Because nobody with good prospects in life and a working brain votes for Trump.
Probably a combination of both…
It’s an indication of both stupidity and also desperation. Remember, this isn’t happening just in the US, either. It’s occurring worldwide, unfortunately.
MAGA crowd are mostly below H1B standards.
This cartoon is incomplete. There should be an indication that Elon FIRED the qualified Americans first. The GOP is such a joke. Every dumbass who voted for Trump deserves to lose their job and get replaced by cheap, foreign labor.
I shouldn’t be a hole in the concrete hacked away with a pickaxe … it’s a neatly installed steel door with electronic access
And they put an explosive collar on you when you go through with your H1-B visa.
In reality, trump can’t do 13 different things associated with this image.
The only thing that still makes sense is to find entertainment in dismantling federal institutions by electing the most dumb outrageous corrupt criminal available. Religion and racism are also a part of the picture but most people don’t take that so seriously.
