Just think about it! It’ll be easy to cut ties, just get a job with an easy employer and move out! If only…
all social safety nets are suicide and depression prevention. There is like true mental illness were no matter what you are homeless or depressed or suicidal but then there is life issues that drive people in that direction.
Any necessity should be nationalized and given. How tf are people supposed to work on issues (wound/trauma healing) when constantly exposed, without time for rest and recovery, to the same or similar traumatizing events? No. Give homes and competent, comprehensive health care, along with healthy foods and decent clothing. After recovery, people can contribute back to societies in meaningful, sustainable ways. But that would mean the end of wage slavery or literal chattel slavery (via social constructs, such as prison or threat of deportation), and billionaires and corporations being heavily taxed, and we can’t have that now, can we?
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🫂 I’m so sorry. It is not “only a single anecdote.” So many people share similar experiences, with specific details swappable. But society stigmatizes feeling a way about our circumstances, when the circumstances are what needs changing, and that’s the truth.
I’m grateful you have shelter. I hope you have somewhat decent? meals?
Does anyone reading know if there’s some sort of help or mutual aid community on Lemmy? If people could chip in a buck here, five there, I bet a lot of us could use the help.
If everyone is just given everything for free, who is going to pay for it all? That’s just putting other people into slavery to pay for all the people who want to mooch off society.
Contributing to social programs is a good thing - we should judge a society based on how it treats the most vulnerable members. And I want to live in a world where everyone, no matter who they are, has their needs met.
There’s already too many people who feel entitled to steal from others. People should think of how they can contribute to society, not how they can take, take, take from it.
People should think of how they can contribute to society
I think that is the discussion that was happening here?
Exactly. I don’t think you meant to, but you just described the majority of billionaires.
Well yes billionaires contribute to society but I didn’t think that was what OP was asking.
That’s what wealthy
eliteslazy always say, right before they crash the economy. 1929 much?
It’s only a single anecdote: when I was unemployed and housed - but had a significant savings - I was enjoying life more, making friends, exploring food and locations more, and generally having a good time. I was barely if ever considering suicide.
I’m employed now, but living in a homeless shelter, and I’m so fucking stressed, I often consider taking that final exit.
And when I was housed and employed, but barely making enough to get by, I was still more capable of handling life.
Housing should be mandatory for civilizations. Anything less, and we are the savages.
First off, I’m a huge housing first advocate and it is completely uncontroversial that for a wide range of outcomes housing first policies are vastly superior not to mention just that it is morally correct.
Whether unsuitable housing/homelessness is directly implicated in suicidality is an interesting question so I did a little bit of digging.
One study from Taiwan showed a relationship between housing affordability and suicidality but the effect is only present when using one measure of affordability and disappears when measuring affordability in other ways suggesting it may not be a real effect.
Another, older, study from the EU found that lack of affordable housing had no impact on suicidality but the driving factor in the increase in suicide during the great recession was job loss.
You could interpret this evidence as mixed but IMO unless more convincing evidence comes out I would have to say that at a societal level it isn’t a big factor.
The impact of housing-price-related indices on suicide rates in Taiwan
The findings revealed that higher housing rental index values were associated with increased suicide rates in young and middle-aged adults compared to the elderly population, regardless of sex. However, this association was not observed with the other two housing-price-related indexes (i.e. housing price index and housing price to income ratio).
BACKGROUND During the 2007-11 recessions in Europe, suicide increases were concentrated in men. Substantial differences across countries and over time remain unexplained. We investigated whether increases in unaffordable housing, household indebtedness or job loss can account for these population differences, as well as potential mitigating effects of alternative forms of social protection.
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RESULTS Changes in levels of unaffordable housing had no effect on suicide rates (P = 0.32); in contrast, male suicide increases were significantly associated with each percentage point rise in male unemployment, by 0.94% (95% CI: 0.51-1.36%), and indebtedness, by 0.54% (95% CI: 0.02-1.06%).
Compared to baseline, there was an overall trend of decreased past-month suicidal ideation (estimate = –.57, SE = .05, P < 0.001), with no effect of treatment group (i.e., HF vs. TAU; estimate = –.04, SE = .06, P = 0.51). Furthermore, there was no effect of treatment status (estimate = –.10, SE = .16, P = 0.52) on prevalence of suicide attempts (HF = 11.9%, TAU = 10.5%) during the 2-year follow-up period.
Kind of. My parents were appalling people. I was a good kid but it didn’t matter.
You can leave them, but you can’t leave yourself. When you get away, learn to be kind to yourself. It’s much more difficult than it sounds - not written to put you off but to remember when it takes a long time - and easier with help.
Agree on this. I realized decades later that I’d be really degrading to myself.
That was kind of you. Thank-you.
Sending hugs to everyone that needs them.
Disease prevention too, shockingly enough sleeping on the streets is really bad for your health.
I think of me but I also think of children in abusive families trans people who aren’t supported etc like cutting ties should be easy does the government know that we have several people willing to work and pay bills but can’t because the next step is too high?
Cutting ties should be easy wtf this world sucks
Having a personal safe space can help. It can also become a shackling crutch.
External support is ultimately needed though, as a root cause is loneliness in an unwelcoming world.
Absolutely. No question.
It’s not a complete solution of course, but it’s part of one.
Homeless has a propaganda value for the owner class. This is the ultimate punishment for being useless in their rent seeking.
I don’t think there is much dispute about how people housing policy could nearly eliminate homeless and reduce mental strife; however, there is no political will since half the country esp boomers with 401k and McMansions provide political cover for the owner class on issue of homeless among all the other abuses they imposed upon the working class.
No. There’s a reason cheap apartments in China have enclosed balconies.
Off topic, but I remember my apartment in China had like metal bars protecting the windows in the apartmeny, but in the stairwell of the building, there was a sort of “window area” that isn’t protected. As a kid, I had fear of heights, but also have intrusive thoughts about falling out the building.
Like, I’m gonna try to illustrate on my notes app:
So that little rectangle is the apartment and the smaller rectangle is the door. So the right side of the stairs goes down. Then ir turns 180 degrees around then goes down further, get it? On in the middle platform where it turns (in between floors, there is a “window” area. The window looked like this:
The part colored below is a concrete barrier. About like 3-4 feet in height (feet, because I’ve been acustomed to useing american measuremenys).
Above that is just nothing. Zero barrier. Outside is the air, and below is death.
So if you were an adult, you could just leap over the concrete barrier and fall to your death.
I lived like 5-6 floors high.
Every day I would fear I accidentally run down the stairs too fast and accidentally leap over and die.
I’m pretty sure that barrier is not gonna be legal in the US. (Correct me if I’m wrong)
(Sorry about the shitty illuatrarion, words are hard to describe)
I get this type of intrusive thought. I think there’s a french phrase for this “l’appel du vide” or call of the void. I think it’s quite common actually.
