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This is the time for Americans to really start acting like old fashioned stereotypical Americans.
No kings. We the people. My freedoms. The constitution. Etc.
The moment we roll over they will steam roll us all.
That’s the same line I use when I park my car in the handicap space.
Back when the US was fighting against fascists in europe, CIA wrote this Simple Sabotage manual, which has some similar ideas
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/26184
It’s a pretty interesting read, as a historical document.
Chaos A.D.
Disorder unleashed
Silence means death
Stand on your feet
Inner fear
Your worst enemyOr just pretend to comply
I disagree. Pretending to comply is just as good to them as compliance. They don’t actually care about someone getting an abortion, but they do care about the message it sends to the masses. By saying no and leaving them with no option but to use physical force we are showing the cracks in that agenda/message. Those cracks will grow and encourage others to stand up and say no. Once that happens the entire foundation of it falls apart because people aren’t afraid anymore. Sure a few of us will be beaten, killed, jailed, even publicly executed. But as OP said they can’t stop us all.
The movie Schindler’s List is about how Schindler pretended to comply
But if you make a martyr of yourself, they’ll just remove you from that position. If you make a show of “rounding up illegals” or “reporting all the DEI initiatives”, they’ll leave you in place while actually accomplishing nothing:
True but we’re not just talking about one martyr. It would be dozens if not hundreds. Much more difficult to keep a lid on it.
I guess it depends on the individual and what they want out of life? If the goal is to just survive then pretending to go along is probably for the best. I suppose when talking about revolution anything that slows down the machine is beneficial
I think keeping positions of power would be essential for resistance.
Absolutely! Unfortunately they’re will be sacrifices and some of those sacrifices might be leaders in the resistance group. That will sometimes hurt the cause and other times it could benefit the cause.
As a relatively privileged person, nobody is making me do anything. I’m passively benefiting from completely evil systems of exploitation around the planet. There is nothing to refuse except my own comfort which every human deserves.
I think it’s more important to actively resist but resistance will be violently suppressed as always. It’s not a risk that many privileged people are willing to take.
They’re close, but not quite there. Any government requires participation for it’s legitimacy. If enough folks decide to stop participating in a critical mass, the government falls. That’s why mass protests and general strikes are so effective and why governments really don’t want people to understand they have that nuclear option.
Taxes due soon, think I may just forget that shit until a legitimate government is assembled.
A great deal of the modernization of finance and policy enforcement has been about pre-enforcement. You get your IRS money taken out before it hits your paycheck. You don’t speed in a neighborhood with speed bumps because it immediately fucks up your car. Your ability to access your office space or bank account or the electricity/water that goes into your home even the ability to turn on newer models of car is predicated on a permission slip that a third party can disable with a button click.
On the flip side, so much of our daily life is alienated from the other people that make our standard of living possible. I don’t know who works at my grocery store, much less who actually picks my fruit or bakes my bread or slaughters my beef. I don’t know who provides me with electricity or water. I don’t know who is on the other side of the teller window when it comes time to cash a check or pull out cash.
Participation is mandatory because the interfaces that allow us to interact with one another are gate-kept by remote and indifferent agents. Opting out of these systems is difficult and expensive. Reaching out to people to engage in collective action is onerous and awkward.
governments really don’t want people to understand they have that nuclear option and will do anything to prevent people from organizing for it.
Government administrators keep a short lease on their direct reports and underlings. Private sector administrators do, too. Organizing the people with their hands closest to the levers of power is incredibly difficult, while administrative replacement of these higher ranking bureaucrats is trivially easy.
At some level, what the Trump Admin is currently doing cuts so deep that he may actually sever his ability to impose his will on remote offices and local bureaucracies. If enough high ranking FBI admins or DOJ lawyers walk off the job, it just becomes impossible to command branches in far-flung states and territories.
But when he’s got guys like Peter Thiel and Jamie Damion in his back pocket, it may not matter. The ability to instantly fire, bankrupt, or imprison people anywhere in the country has a powerful chilling effect. The only people it doesn’t immediately threaten are the folks who have already lost too much and the folks who have managed to remove themselves from the domestic system entirely.
None of this is to say we shouldn’t organize and oppose this shit. But go in with eyes wide open. Don’t naively assume raw numbers matter in the face of a heavily automated administrative state.
Please read my comment from months ago: https://lemmy.world/comment/13431373
Make me do what, exactly
That’s pretty much how the talibangelicals operate. They disobey subpoenas and refuse to comply in various other ways, both petty and legal.
It’s effective at showing how powerless and spineless our authorities are, so fair enough to turn the tables.
Fight back.
Good luck with that attitude in 1930/40s Germany or similar states. Fascist states have always dealt with this kind of people.
That always depend on how many (and to some extent which) people have that attitude.
The attitude is the product of material conditions. This isn’t some question of individualist choice but of systematic control.
I take one issue with this, just one.
“They can’t be everywhere”
See, that may have held up in the 1930s and 40s, but we live in the country with the most robust surveillance apparatus on the globe. And almost every one of us carries around a fun little brick full of privacy violations with us, everywhere we go, absorbing everything we do and say and buy, and packages it neatly into a form ad agencies and the government can use how they like. And one of those little bricks we call smartphones, why, not only do we carry them around willingly, they’re almost a necessity to get anything done in the modern era. We have surveillance that the Gestapo would’ve had wet dreams about. And, more, all of the largest tech corporations and their techbro CEOs – Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple, etc. – are only too happy to kiss the ring and give them unfettered access. To say nothing of the countless other devices spying on you – Ring doorbells selling your data to police departments comes to mind. License plate scanners – even if your car doesn’t spy on you (which, if it was made in the last decade, it almost certainly does to some extent). Your desktop computer has been backdoored by Intel’s management engine or AMD’s PSP for well over a decade – if you don’t think they’ve built in backdoors for the government, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. They can strongarm any company in the world they want, especially ones owned and operated in the US, do you really think they haven’t quietly taken them aside and demanded hardware-level access to every computer made in the last 20 years? With how much the people at the NSA would have wet dreams about that? Yeah, no.
I’m not saying it’s necessarily hopeless. But there will be no Anne Franks hiding in the attic if it comes to that point. They can, in fact, be everywhere, and if the hammer falls it’s going to fall hard and fast, there will be no long continuous search for undesirables across the countryside.
Maybe it’s better phrased as “There’s not enough of them to get all of us”
Oh they will. You underestimate the average person’s need to comply with the law. If the law says “deliver all the undesirables to the government” then most people will do just that.
Not most people. Most people would do nothing, preferring to not get involved. I think most people know why it’s a bad idea to turn in people in their community like that, but it doesn’t take most people to cause an atrocity. It takes a very few doing very bad things with no resistance. It takes most people to provide that resistance and stop atrocities. I have no idea how much resistance most people will provide today but these are uncertain times.
I can’t even fight back in self-defense because I’m not white and typically the other person is.
The system is stacked against me and the only possible approach is secret vigilante justice.
