Application for asylum status when?
A fall from greatness is inevitable and I’m afraid that the fall of America, with all of her hubris, is going to be spectacularly bloody and unpleasant for everyone. :(
Been an American in America for 4 decades. From my perspective American decline is undeniable. It is simple fact.
Largely because we can’t connect the dots and accept that we should be focusing on the class war, not the culture war, because that’s the root of the problem. A lot of the hate and ignorance in America comes from desperation. We’re desperate because we aren’t losing, we’ve lost, a class war.
In my opinion the election that just happened was the nail in the coffin. We came together and the majority of us decided to let our oligarchs assume total control. It was a signal to them that they’re good to be open about it now, too.
RIP to the middle class.
Well said. We have indeed lost. Perhaps we can wipe the slate clean and start anew. I fear even if we did that though, there’s enough of the population that would prefer the old way that something better could never come to fruition.
Perhaps we can wipe the slate clean and start anew.
History indicates that to do so will require a lot of time, violence, and death. And without a plan in place for what comes afterwards, we’d just end up with another shitty system.
They say Rome wasn’t built in a day. But also overlook that the Roman empire didn’t fall in a day either. It was a very gradual process.
So the real question is, if the US were to fall, would it be a quick or gradual process?
Gradual and ongoing since at least 1980.
It already fell, so I guess the real question is how long it takes for people to realize it.
The three branches of government are wholly owned by the triad of evangelicals, Moscow, and a billionaire, they don’t have any intention of following the law or constitution, and won’t give up power. America is dead.
go on. keep making your jokes and memes.
if you think the rich fuckheads are going to stop at America you’re fooling yourself.
Oh I have no illusions they ever intend to stop. They’ll take and take until the world is burning into ash.
like the parasites they truly are.
You are mistaken, you are witnessing the fall of the US republic. At the same time you are seeing the rise of an empire.
Jeez, even resignation is grandiose for Americans.
I mean it’s true. It’ll be an empire because we have a ton of firepower and aggression. It’ll just be an evil empire.
Sorry world. I didn’t vote for the orange dipshit and his enablers.
The orange dipshit is just masks off. The real harm is has been done under the current liberal administration. The rest of the world already has no expectations for conservatives but now liberals too.
Chris Hayes: Biden is leaving a ‘disgraceful legacy’ on Gaza
Rush by west to back Israel erodes developing countries’ support for Ukraine
Still a pale imitation of the British, they had a real empire. America had Puerto Rico and Guam .
I think you’re neglecting the Manifest Destiny period of westward expansion, and you’re limiting your consideration to the paradigm of colonial empire. The American empire is different, it’s a neo-colonial empire.
I’m a rank amateur but in my limited understanding of history it seems similar to the ancient Persian empire: basically a system of client states each with a permitted level of autonomy within a framework of tribute/favorable trade relations. Enforced with a network of garrisons.
When the CIA backs a coup and installs a friendly government that signs a defense pact, and makes it easy for American capital to thrive, what would you call that state other than a client state?
That’s just my understanding as a lay person though, how do you understand it?
This is how liberty dies. With thunderous applaus.
Sometimes I wonder if George Lucas had been a better writer how things might have been different.
Maybe if he had done a better job, perhaps it would have done nothing because some dumb movie plot doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things… or maybe it would have help to shift our culture just a bit more in the right direction… The prequel trilogy was meant to basically mirror the fall of the Weimar Republic to the 3rd Reich. You can’t tell me the “Execute Order 66” montage was not inspired by old “shlankily klankily’s” Night of Long Knives.
By the time he was making the prequels, George was basically God to anyone in his orbit. He no longer had anyone there to tell him “no” anymore, nor his awesome wife to save him in the editing bay, so we ended up with Jar Jar and…
It might sound silly at first, but Gore only lost by the tiniest of margins (and a garbage conservative Supreme Court decision). If even only a few minds had been changed, maybe there would have been no 9/11, no “war on terror” with Iraq and Afghanistan, no Patriot Act, and maybe real mitigations on climate change could have been instituted.
One of my favorite comedians said “The Star Wars prequels were great ideas… executed poorly… but the sequels were poor ideas… executed greatly.”
If even only a few minds had been changed, maybe there would have been no 9/11
9/11 had nothing to do with GWB and everything with the US has already done to that point. Clinton’s policies that lead to the death of 500,000 children in Iraq for example
The smallest alterations can change the world.
If the bullet had been an inch to the right we wouldn’t be about to give the reins of our nation to an anti-democratic felon rapist.
9/11 was happening . It was driven by the happenings in Afghanistan not the us. Basically the northern alliance was gaining ground hard and consistent against the tailiban.
Ahmad Massoud would have been assassinated regardless . September 9th was the day the taliban won. It just took 2 decades of hindsight to see that.
Oh fuck! You might be right 😯
It can’t end soon enough for me. It needs to die.
Classic trolly problem. 350 million of us vs 8 billion of everyone else.
Easy math.
if it wasn’t for the fact that Europe F’ed around for 20 years and disarmed, leaving itself vulnerable right around the same time Russia decided to go on a Russkiy Mir-redraw the world maps and kill everyone who resists adventure. I would have been indifferent to it. the never ending lunacy of the US has left me with the belief that it should be broken up into different states. Its clear they hate themselves and each other.
Alas, World War II was for nothing, Fascism is back with a vengeance, it started in 2022 with Russia, and it’s entering a new stage in America.
To be fair a casual understanding of history shows they’re practicing Christianity as it always has been
They have always disgraced the name of Jesus. Taken it in vain, some might say.
Yeah, hard no there. Christianity in Europe is much more liberal, and I don’t just the mean the traditionally more liberal protestants
…you realize Christianity has existed in Europe for more than 50 years, right? Some of the most horrific things ever done to other people have been done in Europe in the name of Christianity.
Absolutely true, yet only looking at the crusades and the medieval times disregards that modern European Christianity is a far cry from what the American Christians are preaching.
If you ignore 1000+ years of Christianity in Europe then Christianity in Europe is pretty great!
American Christianity is far more “liberal” than how it has been practiced in Europe for nearly it’s entire existence. That’s my point.
Don’t worry, it’s obvious from the inside too.
I love that Gladiator, the 2000 film, showed us Commodus a rich emperor who was insanely obsessed with getting everyone’s attention and the US has Elon Musk showing everyone that he wants to be at least knows as the best digital gladiator of video games while we have Nero/Trump watching the city burn.
It is like we are working on The Decline of an Empire: Greatest Hits! double gate fold album for 2025.
Well, hopefully you can avoid Poilievre. Otherwise, you might be joining us on the crazy train.
If Carney wins leadership of the Liberals, then wins the election, we should ok.
Still a big hill to climb tho.
a big if. as it stands, the Liberal party has the trudeau ick to it, and I would be floored if they did any better than 3rd place.
It took centuries for the Roman Republic to fall. At some point in time, they were past the point of no return without themselves even realizing it.
I think we are in that position now. We have been on the decline for more than a decade now, and have had several opportunities to correct or reverse course, but the wrong decision is made at every opportunity because it’s far easier for powerful influential people to increase their power, wealth and status at the expense of everyone else and suffer no consequences for doing so than it is for them to sacrifice their own power, wealth, and status for the benefit of the collective. Are we past the point of no return? I’d say an argument could be made for either yes or no, but we are undeniably closer to the precipice than we have ever been as a nation since the Civil War (which never truly ended).
The US has been on the decline since the 80s. It’s been propped up on a strong economy and tech domination, but it’s losing its lead, and late stage capitalism is rotting it from the inside out. Reagan really got this crazy train going
Nah we’re at the part when Rome when from Republic to dictatorship
This sums up how it feels to me as well. To me it was pretty much the eighties with deregulation and lowering taxes and globalization.
Normally hate political memes in this kind of tone and format. The bland “Occupy Democrats” type ones, you know. Can’t really find fault in this one though.
At least in Denver we give enormous amounts of food away to poor people, and the policy at hospital ERs is to treat people regardless of their ability to pay.
But sure, keep pretending that we cut people off from healthcare and food. Gotta feed that narrative, regardless of the truth.
Bro I’m fucking living that narrative, like millions of others! Fuck out of here with that bullshit!
What city to you live in where you can’t get food or healthcare?
Like most Americans you need to travel more, and listen when you do.
I’ve also lived in Chicago, DC, and Boston. None of those places were devoid of food or healthcare for people who couldn’t pay.
Can you list some places where a person with no money cannot get food or healthcare?
you are not going to get the cancer treatment you need through the emergency room
… But you still charge everybody into debt bondage for saving their lives. Here I do not pay for health insurance and have never walked out of the ER with a bill. I legitimately fear my American friends getting hurt in a way that simply does not apply to my domestic friends because I know that their lives won’t be impacted financially long term. From what I have gathered from information about their wait times for surgery there isn’t that much difference except for joint and mobility related stuff and even then it’s not that far off.
The fact that employers are allowed to control what healthcare you receive and coerce you into staying with them or else you enter a dicey period where you have to cover you or your family yourself in any way just seems fucking exploitative and bonkers from a Canadian perspective.
So as a traveling American I had some health trouble and needed to see a doctor in Canada. This was not through any health insurance but as a completely uninsured person.
People keep apologizing to me about the cost and the whole series of uninsured visits and medicine was less than and single co-pay would have been under my coverage.
It was absolutely eye opening to see exactly how much things cost when they are billed without profit factored in.
the policy at hospital ERs is to treat people regardless of their ability to pay.
Have you ever been in that position? I have. It took me over a year to pay off the resulting bills.
Yes, they will still treat you regardless of your ability to pay. Yes, sometimes they can decrease the bill for those without financial means. However, that doesn’t mean the treatment is free (or affordable) - you will still be billed, and saddled with any resulting debt. That’s a huge difference between the US and almost every other country, and it’s a crucial distinction.
I went to Denver Health recently after being rear-ended. I told them I had no money and no insurance. They treated me for a concussion. I got a bill for $500.
The bill is far more affordable than dying. It’s ridiculous that you would assume someone should treat you for free. If it’s not worth the bill, don’t go. If it is worth the bill, be grateful for the help.
Do i think American hegemony is in decline? Sure, but this is c/LateStageCapitalism and they tend to overblow things. As with the fall of the Western Roman Empire, life actually still went on despite the Gothic invasion. For many Romans, it is simply being under a new management. Those from us and the future tend to look at history as if everything happened in a flash. The same is happening right now with the gradual erosion of democracy. Events happen not with a bang, but with a whimper. The real creatures in a simmering pot with gradual increasing temperature are not frogs-- it is us: the humans. Literally and figuratively as we head into the slow descent into unknown of post-climate change world, civil strife and oligarchy. Some things may be better or alright, but the overall picture for humanity will be ugly.
Love some T.S. Elliot with my morning coffee, cheers
I can’t understand why there isn’t a large group of people with marshmallows hanging out in DC. It’s just. What does it take?
