If the protesters crowd around and try to get into my car, or bang on the windows, especially with my children inside, lives will definitely splatter.
If they’re on the highway, which is illegal anyway, then they will splatter.
If they have a permit, on a local street, fine. But that permit doesn’t give them the right to encroach on people’s property and vandalize cars. Then it becomes self defense.
The hell do you think is the point of a protest that isnt distuptive?
IDK which mod removed this for “Promoting Violence” but whichever of you it was, I love you.
Ok weirdo
Ok moron
The “logic” goes like this: (sarcasm)
It’s ok to burn down the planet for profit. It’s ok to destroy the ecosystem on which we all depend for food, clean water. It’s ok to make bombs and sell them to those dropping them on hospitals and children. It’s ok to pollute the air with deadly particles no one can avoid.
But you just CANNOT… you just CANNOT be in a way of someone carrying a few tons of steel of a metal cage through a city. That’s not something that we as a society will accept
Hot take: DON’T FUCKING BLOCK ROADS WHILE PROTESTING!!
There’s a difference if you announce prior the specific highways or roads that’ll be blocked, but sitting in front of cars that are going about their business is shitty behaviour. Looking at you “Just Stop Oil”.
“Don’t disrupt anything with your protest. Be small, and unseen.”
“Also, don’t interfere with the operation of your boss’s business when striking. It’s really shitty when they lose revenue, and when I don’t get my doodads in a timely manner!”
Way to miss the point there buddy. Don’t interfere with regular civilians is the point. Absolutely, disrupt businesses if that’s the point of your protest. Look at the BLM protests as an example. They blocked out large swathes of roads so that no one would be able to enter. They didn’t disturb those who were already driving.
Also, no one says the protest has to be small. Press exists for a reason.
The entire point of a protest is to disrupt and inconvenience people, including civilians. Protests have no teeth otherwise.
No, but go off
You’re the one arguing that direct action should neither be direct or action.
Way to misrepresent my argument there buddy. I’m saying that it can still be direct without inconveniencing civilians going about their day, but most of you Lemmy liberals are too chaotic. Enjoy alienating potential supporters of your cause then.
I’m not a liberal. Liberal’s prime justification for sticking with the status quo certainly is that they’re “alienated”, though. That’s not the actual reason of course. The actual reason is they’re fat and happy on the current system and don’t want radical change. That’s the benefit of creating pain points, so it’s not so easy to ignore.
Should we tell them their family joined the protest?
I care.
Wow can’t believe you support the nazi rallies /s
Can any lawyers answer this:
If the person driving that vehicle did end up running someone over, and had that sign in the window, would they get an elevated charge?
To me, that sort of thing is like premeditation, and it would be extremely hard for me to believe that an “accident” led to them killing someone with their vehicle.
Not a lawyer but, premeditation isn’t what you think it is; one can premeditate an action in seconds, the concept really just conveys that the individual had time to think of the consequences.
But yeah, a sticker like this would certainly hurt the case of any defendant. It wouldn’t likely get them any modifiers (though it would help), but it could definitely affect a judge’s decision on how much time they should serve.
I think it would be easy to defend against, with so many of those stickers around it could easily demonstrate just a particular sense of humour
Not a lawyer, but I think stuff like this is a minefield. The defense would try to get it thrown out as prejudicial and without the suspect testifying all they could do is show a picture to an officer of it who affirms that he saw it on the car and enter it into evidence, but they could only indirectly talk about it in opening and closing because nobody can personally testify about the motivations behind the sticker.
But if the defense was “I panicked and hit the gas when people surrounded me” this is something that would poke quite a few holes in that argument.
It could, its just hard for the prosecution to handle. Because it’s not direct evidence of the mindset for that incident and it’s inflammatory to the jury the chances of it being ruled as prejudicial and not probative is high. That’s why past criminal convictions are also often excluded from trials.
Sounds like one of those “no lives matter” militant extremist white supremacists.
My favorite retort to those advocating for running over protesters:
If it’s OK for you to run over protesters blocking your path on the highway, it’s also OK for me to set fire to your car if you park it in the bike lane.
Yeah, but to know which car to burn down you’d have to see them run over you and by that time ur dead.
Well we don’t have bike lanes so I’d say go for it
I’d downvote you for being smug but man, if whatever shithole you live in doesn’t even have bike lanes your day-to-day has got to be miserable enough already.
It just means you have to have a car, or have Uber money or be good friends with someone with a car. There are zero other options.
Rural America?
No I’m in a metro area with over 2 million people, just not in the very center of it. But still solidly in what you would call the city. There are no sidewalks, bike lanes, buses, trains… not even shoulders on the road. Just occasional memorials to dead pedestrians and cyclists.
My ex father in law was badly injured running into a car broken down, parked in a bike lane (there wasn’t anywhere else they could have stopped). He was training for a triathlon which he didn’t get to participate in, nursing two broken arms
Sometimes even without the help of arseholes your bike lane may be blocked. Look up regularly, people.
there wasn’t anywhere else they could have stopped
so there wasn’t a road?
The dude wasn’t looking up. this was 1000% his fault, jesus christ.
I don’t drive. I ride everywhere. And someone going head town teararse completely ignoring everything around them is a fcking idiot. This time it was a car. Coulda been a pedestrian, an animal, even trash, same result. The dude failed basic 101: be aware of your surroundings
Cool story. Car shouln’t have been on the cycle path regardless.
Ideally, yeah and I hate cars as much as anyone, but if my car broke down I would probably do the same. If the car broke down then that is the one situation that I cannot blame a driver for parking in the bike lane
Again, why not on the road??
It’s pretty much a highway. Dangerous to stop on, and the shoulder was turned into a bike lane. Beyond the bike lane on that stretch was a ditch the car couldn’t cross without damage.
I’m presuming they were broken down, it’s the usual reason for someone to abandon a car kilometres from the city or suburbia. They may have been pulled over by police and not allowed to continue due to drunk driving.
It really was a crap situation where the car had no other safe option and the cyclist would have been okay had he looked forward instead of down.
safe option
severely injured cyclist
Pick one. Just saying, whatever the situation, it obviously wasn’t a safe option.
the cyclist would have been okay had he looked forward instead of down.
Just like any approaching car. This is just valuing the life and well being of car users more than cyclists.
Yeah, I am a huge bicycle advocate. My dream is to live in a car free place, but riding your bike without looking where you are going is both illegal and insane to me. Keep your eyes on the road (in front of you) while driving or riding.
I agree with you on the caring more about car users part, except that the shitty infrastructure caused that scenario. If there’s no where to safely emergency park a car except for the bike lane that’s on the town or city and where the anger should be directed.
I’m a timid person and won’t ride a bike in my town because of how narrow the shoulders are and there’s always gravel, sand and debris on it. It freaks me out too much, which sucks since I’d prefer to do that since it’s more affordable.
If there’s no where to safely emergency park a car except for the bike lane that’s on the town or city and where the anger should be directed.
Ok, but that’s my point, it wasn’t safe to park on the bike lane and it never is. Where do the bikes go even if the cyclist sees it beforehand? On the road.
If I have to choose between endangering someone in a metal cage or someone who has only air separating their meat from the road, I will choose the former, always.
Even better is to push for better infrastructure so no one is in danger?
This is just acknowledging that sometimes things suck. I’m not saying the cyclist was at fault, just that he would have been better off if he had looked ahead at least once in the half a kilometre the car was visible for.
I wouldn’t park in a bike lane because I’m not an idiot.
I also wouldn’t block a live roadway for a protest as it is just inconveniencing others and would only alienate them from the cause I’m trying to advocate for, also because I’m not an idiot.
No movement ever accomplished anything by being convenient and quiet
And these movements are doing worse than nothing by not aiming their protest at what they are protesting. The anti oil ones especially are actually funded by the oil companies to make environmental protesters look bad.
And then those allegations are negated by being published by opponents of the protest. It’s a shitshow all the way to the top.
This is a style of protest where I really have a problem. My stance on it is “protest however you like, do not block roads”. I understand that the point of a protest is to be disruptive but I feel like that is a line too easily crossed.
An example I expirenced was a long time ago when I lived in Boston and there was some climate protestors that did their stunt on mass pike (the big highway into the city). They put a pipe through a bunch 55-gallon drums, dragged them out of their trucks onto the highway, handcuffed themselves to another protester in the pipe, and then filled the drum with instant concrete. Blocked traffic for hours while the cops had to cut them out of their contraptions. The problem was that there were several emergency vehicles stuck in the jam that they made, while protesting is an admirable persuit, these people caused the deaths of atleast 2 others because the ambulance they were in got stuck in the gridlock. IIRC, most of the protestors got manslaughter or worse charges and spent a few years in prision.
This may just be a random internet tale to most, but it really should highlight that protesting must be more than random disruption and it has to be coordinated (within itself and with local municipalities), otherwise people get hurt.
“I see your point, but… downvotes” -Lemmy
The person proposed that people protesting climate change shouldn’t block roads because cars are more important (or something - they didn’t argue all that thoroughly and their one example wasn’t as they described it)
I think they deserve the down votes
I think the point is that making people hate you isn’t going to bring them to your side. If you look at the successful protests throughout history, you’ll find that none of them tried to make the general public hate them.
The goal isn’t to get random people hearing about it to support you. The goal is to sabotage and disrupt fossil fuel production or consumption. Being inconvenient is the entire point.
This is indeed what the masses do on every social platform. Too lazy to have a discussion or formulating a response. Down vote, and on with my day, let’s go. 👉
I see at least a dozen of answers, and they all add something to the discussion instead of just repeating “don’t block traffic”.
I said “the masses”.
Fun fact, that event is easily searchable.
Either your memory of the event is falling, or you’re lying.
It was a racial justice protest.
Nobody died. One man with life threatening injuries went to a different hospital and no further news was reported on that.
Nobody was charged with manslaughter, the most serious charge was disorderly conduct.
Everything you said about the protesters can almost certainly be said about the important things to protest over. People die from our shitty system every day. Denied healthcare claims take hundreds of lives a year. Genocides speak for themselves. You just don’t care because those things don’t personally effect you at the moment.
Your anger is directed at the wrong target.
That’s what a disruptive protest looks like though. If workers go on a general strike, do you honestly think that won’t cause some people to die from losing access to vital services? Every protest or action that secured the rights you have today resulted in some innocent bystanders dying. Hell, think about how many innocent people had their lives disrupted due to the Civil War. When Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on the bus, do you think that didn’t cause disruption to normal bus operations that day?
In truth, I think you just want protests that are easy to ignore. You seem the kind of moderate MLK said was the greatest threat to progress. You’re not openly opposed to progress, but you don’t want change to cause any kind of disruption that might conceivably hurt or inconvenience someone. And unfortunately, we live in a society where everything is connected to everything. You can’t disrupt it without putting life and limb on the line somewhere.
So, I challenge you this. You said you don’t mind disruptive protest, but just not like blocking the roads like that. Can you give a few examples of disruptive protests you would approve of?
Personally. Im all in favor of any financal disruption to businesses, do walk outs, sit-ins, strike, most any other form of protest. I feel like the line is crossed when public infrastructure or essential services are unnessesarly impacted. It shows that the participants lack the planning capacity to select their venue appropratly.
Going to go out on a limb and hope the mods dont whack this post (Hi .LW mods), but Luigi has the right idea (minus the murder part… Bit too late to workshop that though). His protest was targeted at the individauls responsible for supporting the problem in the first place. A vast majority of the decision makers in the world are not elected, they can not be voted out of their money and influence.
This is why I aplaud most protesters, but climate groups almost always seem to miss the mark. Bringing attention to a topic does not change policy, throwing tomato sauce at a painting or being an intentional cockwomble in traffic only inconviences those who have no power to effect change.
Traffic disruptions do not work on people who can afford private jets. Be better protester, and have standards.
Personally. Im all in favor of any financal disruption to businesses, do walk outs, sit-ins, strike, most any other form of protest.
Provided they are ineffective and easily ignored.
His protest was targeted at the individauls responsible for supporting the problem in the first place.
You… honestly think this is the first time anyone has ever protested directly to the CEO of UHC? You don’t think the guy got thousands if not tens of thousands of direct one on one calls/emails/texts/personal pleas over his tenure?
This is why I aplaud most protesters, but climate groups almost always seem to miss the mark. Bringing attention to a topic does not change policy, throwing tomato sauce at a painting or being an intentional cockwomble in traffic only inconviences those who have no power to effect change.
But climate change groups are “target[ing] the individuals responsible for supporting the problem in the first place” when they block drivers.
People are largely too poor to live close to work and anyone who works the kind of inconsistent shifts lots of peoplework can’t carpool. They also aren’t the ones fighting work from home
I don’t see how carpooling is relevant here at all. Even if you carpool or take a bus, you still need the road and wouldn’t be able to commute if that road gets blocked off.
The person said the people on the road were responsible for the climate issue when individual decisions other than whom to vote for often has limited impact. If we want to effect meaningful change we need collective action on the part of our nation and government not just individuals.
Putting the blame on individuals knowing that the sum total effect of best case individual action means jack shit is a way to defect attention away from the decision makers whose actions actually have some hope of changing our trajectory.
First of all, I have doubts about the degree of overlap between the two groups of people you mentioned. Jobs with inconsistent shifts tend to be things like food service and retail, which are distributed and local enough that anybody working such a job should be picking one they live near. Conversely, jobs specialized enough to be worth commuting a longer distance to are more likely to have consistent shifts, making carpooling more likely to be viable.
Second and more importantly, “work from home” is only one aspect of the problem and being among the executives fighting it is hardly the only thing that would make a person part of the problem. That gets us back to your first claim: “people are largely too poor to live close to work.” No, they largely are not. They’re too poor to live close to work and have a single-family house with a yard at the same time, and they choose to prioritize the latter. That not only makes them directly responsible by participating in the traffic that they’re in, it also makes them indirectly responsible by demanding policies like low-density zoning that inflates supply of single-family houses while restricting supply of dense multifamily housing. This subsidizes the price of the former, drives up the price of the latter, and physically displaces even some of the people who would like to live in dense multifamily out into the suburbs.
Traffic disruptions do not work on people who can afford private jets.
they’re not trying to sway the jet riders. what a fantastically incorrect takeaway. goddamn.
Be better protester, and have standards.
you don’t understand how any of this works, obviously. just an angry moron who’s upset a road got closed that one time.
Then argue against my point, (did a quick search) the Stanford University debate rubric has “respect for the other team” as the first field. Insults will reduce score and also indicates you do not have a rebuttle (also a points reduction). Im simply trying to get my replies to work through the logic of the discussion.
I see you didn’t reply to @WoodScientist@lemmy.world. It’s a long comment but I think it tweaks at your preference in an interesting way
yet another concern troll. blocked
And if those walk out or sit ins were successful, would people not also die? Imagine a vast coordinated effort. Thousands of climate protesters break into various oil processing and refining plants and do everything they can to disrupt operations without killing anyone directly. They throw emergency stop switches. The close valves and epoxy them shut. They drain critical pipe segments and then cut them open with torches. And they chain themselves to equipment. Or maybe they just force everyone out of the facility at gunpoint and set the whole place on fire. Through their efforts, they substantially reduce US oil production for a period of time. That’s what a disruptive protest of the kind you’re suggesting looks like. Direct action against the most offending industries, done in a way that takes no human life.
And yet, people would still die. What good is an unblocked road if you don’t have fuel? People would lose their jobs because they couldn’t afford the fuel. People in critical condition would die, unable to get to the hospital.
The point is that any event that actually seriously disrupts the operation of any major company or industry is going to inevitably hurt regular uninvolved people as well. We live in a system and all that.
And the point of blocking roads is not to “draw attention.” The point of direct actions like that is to cause economic disruption. The key thing to keep in mind is that the truly wealthy are highly diversified in their investments. Those with the real power to change things aren’t moved by a single factory somewhere being inconvenienced. Change in societies like ours really only happen when the reform movement, whether peaceful or violent, grows to such an extent that it risks taking a serious chunk out of nationwide GDP. All the people at the top really care about is money. And there really isn’t any way to hurt them financially without throwing a wrench into the gears of the entire economy.
That is ultimately what it took for the Civil Rights movement to secure its victories. Black people then were around 12-15% of the population. That number of people is never going to be able to secure their rights on their own through the ballot box. But even 1% of the population working together through direct and indirect action can be enough to grind an entire national economy to a screeching halt. Historically, that is what it has taken for any group to ever secure rights from their oppressors. Asking nicely never works. It always comes down to, “compromise with us, or we will (metaphorically or literally) burn this whole place down.”
Change and reform are disruptive by nature. There is no such thing as a successful reform movement that only hurts a few narrowly defined perpetrators.
Firstly, your hyoptheical protest is no such thing and a strawman, that is an act of war, expected of despots and revolutionaries, not groups of rational individuals demanding change. It also highlights my point, you stated that reform movements begin to gain steam when a critical mass of the population backs them, how can a group expect to gain such a following when their protests cost proportionaly more to the people you need to support your cause than it does to the people actually making the decisions?
How do you expect to find supporters if you cost average people a measurable portion of their living. I did some napkin math, assume a days worth of hourly work at 15$, before income tax, thats ~120$, versus an oil C-suite who according to my search take home ~24m a year (does not include the other parts of their pay and benifits) meaning you have to cost them ~100k of their personal take-home income to proportionaly effect them the same way. This is not worth noticing for the suit (notice how all those Return-to-office articles only mention normal workers and not executives) and personally damaging loss of income for the average person who statistically has little savings.
This was my point about being better protestors, damaging or disrupting public infrastructure (roads, rails, things essential to emergency services) should be reconsidered as venues for the protest because its disruption alienates the people who you would like to support your cause, is ignored by the people with the power to affect the change being demanded and makes the protestors themselves look like fools.
Apologies for the late reply, people got to sleep ya know.
Ok, I no longer regret incentivizing violence, as this mod is downright incentivizing something alright.
This is reddit mods in a nutshell
Similar story to how I ended up IP banned.
Story about a politician advocating for killings and kangaroo court imprisonments> i make a comment saying “yeah this guy is gonna end up dead if he tries this” > banned for threats of violence. … appeal, arguing that it wasn’t a threat. Just an acknowledgment of political volatility… suggested mods were politically biased for seeing it that way. > appeal rejected and permabanned
Similar for me. In so many words, a JFK quote paraphrased. Make peaceful reform impossible and violent revolution becomes inevitable. Banned at the IP address level.
Reddit mods can’t IP ban you.
Admins can and they are just as stupid as mods.
Thanks for the contribution
Banned for similar reason. Mod misinterpreted my wording and IP banned for inciting violence. 100 characters max in your appeal so impossible to explain yourself.
Does anyone actually have a foolproof way of dodging an IP ban? I miss participating in my city’s local sub.
I actually have a bit of a conspiracy that reddit flags accounts who don’t make them money (don’t buy coins, doesn’t use app, uses Firefox, etc) and specifically watches them for TOS violations.
VPN, new account.
Didn’t work longer than a day.
I still miss some of it’s smaller subs being actually active enough to have a daily chat abiut the certain interest.
But i was banned from inciting violence after pointing out my life was in a weird place for being able to purchase unregistered firearms in a firearm free country, while not making enough to find a place to live (we ended up renting a 14m2 room on 2 fulltime + overtime, incomes)
I appealed, but they didn’t have it so i figured i could just make a new account which screwed me over.
I don’t know where y’all get this wild idea that moderators can IP ban you. I was a moderator for a pretty major sub until the API fiasco, we barely had the tools we needed, let alone the ability to consistently keep folks off who made new accounts.
I also find these stories are rarely as one-sided as they are portrayed.
I was banned by a reddit admin, site wide.
Admin =/= Mod. Admins work at Reddit and can basically do whatever they want on the site because they control the backend. Mods have a sliver of the tools available to admins. This does not include IP banning.
Both moderate content no? Anyway it’s not important, I was banned by some dumbass for no reason
No they are completely different and it’s definitely important. You’re talking the feds vs. a person attempting a citizen’s arrest.
Both are mods
The mods don’t IP ban you. What happens is you get your account permabanned from a big subreddit like r/politics. Later in another account, you use r/politics again, either because you think the ban was clearly bullshit or you just forgot about the ban on an old account. Then reddit’s site tools kick in, see your connected accounts, and IP ban you for “ban evasion.” Individual mods won’t IP ban you, but the site will IP ban you for daring to evade the bullshit decisions of clearly biased tinpot dictator subreddit mods.
Then reddit’s site tools kick in, see your connected accounts
Maybe a better question then would be, how do these tools likely work, and how can they be circumvented?
I’m sure VPNs can be used. You would have to use a VPN, a new email address, and perhaps a different computer even. But honestly, I just don’t care anymore. I’m content leaving reddit to their demons. I have had a few big accounts on there with hundreds of thousands of comment karma, a decade in age or more. I contributed insightful commentary on the site and ended up on r/bestof a dozen or more times. It’s clear that they don’t want people like me, or anyone with a nuanced opinion, to be on the site. They want to focus on tiktok style brain rot, because the MBAs that have taken over Silicon Valley have no original ideas beyond copying each other.
If you want to have nuanced and deep discussion on a site, you can’t let your most prominent forums be taken over by unaccountable mods with an agenda (like r/worldnews) or operate with zero-thought zero-tolerance policies like r/politics. Your biggest political forum cannot operate on a philosophy of “any mention of violence is a permaban,” when the presence of violence and discussion of it is a key part of our current political landscape.
They don’t want real discussion anymore, if they ever did. They just want zero-tolerance, zero-thought moderation policies that are easy to enforce algorithmically but stifle real and nuanced discussion. And their site-wide admin an appeal process is completely worthless. They want their site to be a cesspool of teenagers post memes and nothing else. And if that is what they want, so be it. I’m done contributing to their bullshit. Reddit is far from the only discussion forum I’ve used. I was reddit, but before that digg. And before that, slashdot. And there comes a time when sites sometimes just get so up their own assholes chasing quick and easy money that the only correct choice is to just walk away in disgust.
One of the main reasons quality of content on the site has plummeted so much in recent years is they’ve likely banned or driven away many of their best commenters and posters. They want their site to be clickbait trash, and they simply aren’t willing to put in the effort to make it a place to hold good discussions.
It was an account level ban issued by Reddit. The account was perma’d by an angy Reddit admit in response to my appeal reply. so once the account was cooked, I deleted it and moved onto another, and the IP ban came after, automatically, for ban evasion. Caught in a situation where I was in violation of the site wide rules just by existing, over a ban they issued out of biased rage.
so in technicality, yes, its as you said.
You were banned from one sub. You had the entire rest of the site to visit. I don’t understand why that was so difficult. If you absolutely had to browse it then just do it without logging in and commenting. You’re being ridiculous.
No, my account was issued an account level ban for a comment on a sub. It had nothing to do from the sub moderators. There was no interaction from them as the comment was pretty standard for the topic at hand.
Im not going to argue with you, theres what happened, and what you think happened based on a story you were told. Arguing over it is a waste of time.
So an admin came and banned you from the site for one single comment with no warning and without any attempt by you at ban invasion?
I would be very curious to see what this comment was and where. Because you’re right - there’s what happened and there’s what sounds like what happened based on the story I’ve been told.
Well…yeah. That is exactly how it should work. Just because you think it’s bullshit doesn’t mean you get to ban evade. Most people banned from subs think the reason was BS.
Point is mods can’t IP ban, other person thinks they can.
The problem is we’re talking about the main discussion forums on one of, if not the biggest, discussion sites on the internet. They allow way too much power to be in the hands of unaccountable moderators.
Want to know how my main long running account got banned from r/politics? I wondered aloud where the military was as an armed insurrection was literally storming the capital building of my country. Objectively, something like January 6th shouldn’t even be possible. I wondered why the crowd wasn’t being driven back by soldiers using automatic weapons fire. That is what a nation is SUPPOSED to do when its democracy is under siege. If you want your democracy to continue to exist, the sad truth is that yes, you have to be willing to kill people who take up arms against it. Otherwise some small well armed group will take over the whole place as you blindly cling to non-violence. My account was banned, on January 6th, as it happened, for wondering why our nation’s military was failing to defend our democracy. Later it was revealed that the military wasn’t deployed there, as Trump had specifically avoided deploying troops there as part of his plot to overthrow the election.
Or I had another account banned from a few subreddits for saying that if SCOTUS rules the president has complete criminal immunity, that he should respond by taking out a few Supreme Court justices. If the president is above the law, then he is now a dictator. And the only moral use of dictatorial power is to strip yourself of that power. In another account, I suggested on r/politics that Biden should just drone strike SCOTUS justices until they put out a ruling stripping him of that power. That got me banned for promoting violence. But the most ridiculous thing? r/politics openly allowed stories on the front page stating that the exact same thing should be done. They hold their comments section to a far higher standards than the stories they allow at the top of the r/politics feed.
Or how about getting instant banned from r/worldnews for saying anything remotely pro-Palestinian? That subreddit has been completely taken over by militant Zionists. If you have the temerity to dare to point out that, for example, the fact that the IDF has a worse civilian:combatant kill ratio than Hamas, you’ll get banned. Or, they love to make a fuss about how that UN aid agency, with thousands of employees, was found to have some Hamas members in it. Nevermind that Hamas by their nature are mostly ordinary people who work ordinary jobs. The aid agency had a much, much lower share of Hamas members than the general Gaza strip population. But if you dare to point this out, you’ll get instantly banned.
Yeah, you can cower behind the policies of reddit, “Just because you think it’s bullshit doesn’t mean you get to ban evade.” But that’s ridiculous. Unjust rules are meant to be broken. I have no respect for a reddit ban because they aren’t worthy of respect. Reddit allows their biggest, most influential subreddits to be dominate by mods who have comically biased enforcement records or who implement zero-thought, zero-context rules like their misapplication of violence in r/politics.
Yes, you can always say, “but…but…those are the rules of the site!” But this is a cop-out. It doesn’t make it any more just than any other comically unjust law or rule through history.
I don’t think I’d dare comment on anything politics, religion, environment, current events on Reddit post API change
I go there for about five special interest subs and I try to not be logged in when I want to look up something else there, to curb my tendency to reply
So that’s the position current implementation of rules of Reddit and subs have scared me into. It’s a bit of a police state, with big sub mods as secret police
I’m confused here. We have established that they can’t IP ban you, right? What power do they have that is so disproportionate? They can remove comments and they can ban people. That’s literally the only two tools in the toolbox. Are you saying they shouldn’t be able to do these things?
If you created a sub, do you think you shouldn’t be able to do these things?
If a sub is being poorly moderated, go make your own alternative. The major sub I used to moderate for began just like that.
Mods can ban you from communities, cancel any of your posts, delete any of your comments. That’s about it.
The trouble is that people are unfairly banned from subs they have followed and contributed to for years and there is no appeal other than begging the guy who just maliciously kicked you out
That’s not counting mods who are also admins and mods who are good friends with an admin. You can get a site wide ban for saying the wrong thing in front of one of them
You’re arguing in bad faith. No one is arguing that the mods aren’t violating the rules of the site. You’re clinging to that fig leaf that no one is arguing about. The real discussion is whether unelected mods should ever have that much power over such influential public forums in the first place.
In other words, you’re acting exactly like a reddit mod. Good job.
The majority of reddit subs I’ve been banned from were for posting in other unrelated subs in violation of sadly unenforced moderation rules.
Then there’s being banned from r/atheism for “egregious immorality” - I look at it as a badge of pride to be banned from an atheism sub on grounds that sound like ones only a religious sub would use.
If you are regularly getting banned from multiple subs and are loudly proclaiming how proud of it you are, then the problem is you
Go back to reddit if you agree with their moderation so much. You will prefer it there.
I’m only proud of the one, and only because of how weirdly out of sync with what you’d expect the given reason was.
Basically every other sub I’ve ever been banned from was a “you commented on a post on a sub we’ve since decided we don’t like, so we’ve summarily banned you with a bot just in case”.
Yeah, Reddit moderation is… Fucky wucky. But this is also a general problem in American society. It’s perfectly okay to kill people for profit, but if you break a window you’re the bad guy doing a violence. (It may be present in others as well, I just don’t know)
Police violence is a okay. Rioting and causing property damage that’s bad.
Are you saying that because you believe it or because that’s what the system says?
I was parroting the bizarre talking point people use in response to political/social issue riots.
People will hand waive or justify violence by the police. When the public responds in anger, the response is “Can’t we think of the property!?” What these people are saying that property has more value than a human life.
This is Lemmy, probably the latter.
I certainly hope so… But I’ve seen people who unironically espouse this stuff.
May the odds ever be in our favor.
Looks like a photoshop, not a real sticker. Not a lot of pixels, but it doesn’t curve right, reflect or warp with the window. Squared up with tbe image orientation, not the window or defroster lines like a human would apply a sticker.
Everyone grabbing pitchforks all the same.
it’s real… links have been provided to the reddit post lol
it’s clearly an image advocating murder and mods deleting comments advocating vandalism while leaving the murder ones up
whether the image posted to reddit is a photoshop is irrelevant. the issue is which violence the mods chose to promote and which to ban
So your argument is that it’s real because it was posted to reddit and you don’t care if it was a photoshop?
what are you missing about this… the point of interest is WHAT HAPPENED ON REDDIT. which you can see with your own eyes. the important part is 100% guaranteed verifiably NOT a photoshop
tell me, just so we can get on the same page: what do you think is interesting about this image? why do you think most people upvoted it on Lemmy? we definitely have a misunderstanding here.
The moderator username is implying that it’s a subreddit that is for marketing cringe stickers to suckers
Appropriate. Seems to be effective.
Just because it’s a render doesn’t mean it’s fake. It’s probably a preview used at a decal store and it was grabbed from there. Here’s an example. I’m only linking to prove what I’m saying. I don’t want anyone to actually buy one.
Doesn’t make it real. You can render whatever example you want for custom stickers just like a meme. It’s mashing the “easy” button in lieu of a photoshop. Someone made this as ragebait, and it should be treated as such. By your measure I could say I might print a meme as a sticker and now it’s “real” even if I don’t print it.
I’ve seen worse out in the wild. I absolutely know the types of people who would put this on their cars and think it’s clever.
Sure. It could be real if someone printed it. But like I said, that means every printable image ever falls into the same category. It’s a waste of time to think about that. There are gonna be people that either really think what this says or simply slap it on a car to piss people off.
That’s a different rabbit hole. The subject at hand is a render (by default a render isn’t real, right?) designed to be ragebait. Looks like it’s pretty effective considering how many people want it to be real so they can be outraged.
That’s not the point. The OP straight up advocates maiming or killing people in a known Terrorist TTP. But the guy who talks about a window gets banned.
Yeah. I get the point.
My point is that it’s fake and made up to incite strong emotions.
You’re being trolled. Effectively. This is straight up ragebait. This should be thrown in the trash and mocked for what it is.
You think the entire thread is faked?
That’s not what I said at all.
Then how is this rage bait?
Really?
Fucking Reddit mods. I got perma banned for saying I wished that MTG would trip and swallow her own head.
I just got banned from some shitty lemmy instance for calling a tankie ‘ruski’.
They are a precious breed.
that term is generally used and perceived as a pejorative, not quite a slur, but close. you have a lot of other slurs on your profile so i don’t have much sympathy.
Hang on… which other slurs?
hahahha
There’s barely any after scrolling back lmao I challenge you to find one slur I’ve posted.
Alright dumpling!
Ah yes, the classic actionable threat of impossible self-inflicted cartoon injury.
She’d have to pull it out of her ass first.
You have been permabanned on /r/MagicTheGathering
It’s a vortex of constantly eating itself
I’m all for protests, but please don’t block major roadways or interstates.
emergency services use the same roads and your protest will kill someone. pile up on the sides of the road, throw paint balloons in the streets, throw your shit at cars passing by. I really don’t care.
just keep the streets clear for emergency services.
Some asshole protesters were blocking the highway here in Seattle at one point and prevented me from getting to a vet appointment for my puppy with cancer.
Fuck people who block highways.
I’m all for protests but just don’t inconvenience anyone or apply any political pressure and obey the law and go back home and be good boys
now say that to the 8 year old that died on the way to the hospital because they were shot and waited for an ambulance for an hour.
go on, I’ll wait for your entitlement to clear up.
Let me hop into your imagination and talk to him
Then even so, racial injustice, climate change, genocide, and other such problems that are being protested about cause more harm than that all the time.
Nobody said it’s pleasant, only that it’s necessary and the only way to affect change
emergency services use the same roads and your protest will kill someone
As soon as law enforcement stops killing us for funsies I’ll start caring about the vague hypothetical that a neoliberal gets hurt by accident.
yes, let the five person family die in their house fire because you feel a smug sense of entitlement.
The irony of “i shouldn’t have to wait in traffic” guy calling us all entitled…
first of all, I never said that. never even implied it.
second of all, I don’t drive asshole. I work from home 100% of the time.
I couldn’t care less if I have to sit in traffic.
However I DO care when innocent people are forced to suffer because of your entitled sense of superiority. I DO care when your willful ignorance tears families apart because you are filled with so much vitriol and hate for other people you’re willing to allow any number of people suffer just to prove a point.
get your shit together dude. don’t care how, don’t care where. just pack up all your fucking bullshit and fucking deal with it. deal with it before you need to go to a protest because anger had no place in a peaceful protest. anger and protests go together like police action and riots.
if you believe that a protest has to become violent to force action you’re a part of the problem and need to(you guessed it) get your shit together.
the irony just keeps thickening with you lol. I’m willing to let others suffer…
your face is peeling, I can see the troll under that mask.
easier to dismiss me as a troll than to realize how hypocritical you’re being. people protesting real worldwide issues like genocide to stop their government from actively engaging in it are self centered and only care about themselves but Mr. Liberal is righteously mad about being inconvenienced
They didn’t say anything like that and you know it. At least don’t be disingenuous with your arguments.
ah yes I should make honest arguments like families of people burning to death and children getting killed from shootings because of protests.
I’m sure you are equally critical of that guy’s hyperbole
Whataboutism doesn’t change you putting words into that person’s mouth that they didn’t say.
tit for tat
In Germany, if the protest was registered before, emergency services will avoid the roads and use alternative routes.
that’s great, wish they did that in the US.
Every single protest I went to split to let emergency vehicles through.
Protests are supposed to be disruptive.
every protest I’ve seen on highways or streets smashed ambulances and cop cars trying to get through.
does that mean every protest is like that? no. does that mean we can’t all work together to ensure to protection of human life? no.
protests are supposed to be disruptive but don’t damage your message out of spite for society. target buildings or locations that speak to the movement. have a problem with the cops? surround every police station. have a problem with the city? block access to cityhall.
protests are meant to actually mean something, a defined message to the establishment that’s clear and easy for others to get behind.
everything else is just a riot.
everything else is just a riot.
which is based, actually
if I saw this I would let the air out of the tires of the vehicle
Double standards
Edit: my mistake, it’s not visible on the screenshot, but the “i hope you get shot” didn’t get removed for promoting violence, there is no mod reply to it.
Condoning violence against things while condemning violence against people is really not such a big contradiction, especially when said thing is used to hurt people.
Edit: Then again, a guy wanting other people to get shot probably doesn’t argue in good faith anyway.
Condoning violence against things while condemning violence against people is really not such a big contradiction, especially when said thing is used to hurt people.
That’s opposite to what happened. They condemned violence against property, and condoned violence against a person
that’s the entire conservative thought process. always protect things over people. kill a homeless person? you’re a hero. use counterfeit 20 dollar bill? get strangled to death. rape? be our president. trespassing? get shot to death.
trespassing?
This is why the last time I made a sign for a pro-choice event, I made it in the shape of a uterus with a warning sign inside it, saying, “NO TRESPASSING: Violators may be aborted.”
They value property rights, so it seems only fitting to frame access to our bodies by using their own arguments.
Lots of reddit communities are fascist communities
They’re a more marketable demographic.
