So far I have been censored on .world but not on .ml
I don’t care for the moderation policies of .ml but I don’t see what shitposting about it all the time without the context that they will ban you for “pro capitalist” posts does other than split the fediverse and make users who don’t even know what your problem is act defensive
The “average .ml poster”/“average .world poster” discourse is worn out.
Average .world poster trying to keep their CIA ran platform alive.
avg tankie
Can you explain what you mean?
They’re saying .world is anti-china.
Oh, it’s the regularly scheduled sabre-rattling post.
He has a little star in his calendar for every month.
Yep, they even get a bunch of their posts from Lemmy.ml communities and cross post them to non-Lemmy.ml communities. That’s fine, but this is just a huge dedication to inter-instance drama.
Better .ml than .world, honestly
I don’t know why ml is so hated
.world is basically Reddit. They want Lemmy to be Reddit, and censor Lemmy as if it is Reddit.
If you make a negative post about .world it will get removed.
And this is exactly why .ml is so hated. That comment is pure .ml propaganda.
I have seen tons more .ml posts where mods go rampage mode and remove anything criticizing Communism, Russia, China, authoritarian regimes, their genocides, .ml itself, their mods, hate on US or any western nation, brigading …
.ml stands for Marxist Leninist, and they make sure you know it.
You rarely see negative posts about .world because they get removed.
Remember the MBFC debacle?
The admins and mods of .ml are the biggest Tankies of Lemmy, they refuse to admit that China is an authoritarian dictatorship that has committed recent genocide and constantly lick Putins boot saying things like Russia was justified in invading Ukraine unprovoked
!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works though you’ll need to view through another instance because .ml blocks this community specifically
Probably should be noted those communities are filled with the brigading efforts of like two chronically obsessed people who use alternate accounts to stir up shit or screenshot posts they often write themselves.
Some Lemmy instances are generally hostile to Marxists, who are more concentrated on Lemmy.ml.
Lemmy.ml and hexbear are not marxist. They are fascists cosplaying as soviet communists. Many people don’t make that distinction though.
probably because that distinction is unfounded.
Believe it or not, there’s nothing saying a communist country needs to be a one party dictatorship. It would be perfectly achievable though democracy if the majority of the population actually wanted to take collective responsibility for the country and wanted people to be treated fairly. The reason communist dictatorships fail is because they are dictatorships, not because they are communist.
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Are you saying that The Netherlands is fascist, or the people hosting Lemmy.world? I don’t know about the latter, but regarding the former: The Netherlands has a multiparty system, in which the fascist right party you refer to, only got 37/150 seats. With it, it became the largest party in the government today, but it only represents roughly 25% of all voters. Therefore the majority of the country isn’t fascist, so I don’t see how your comment makes any sense.
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1 hour old account with a similar name to banned ANT_EEY_ANKS.
Hmmm wonder what you are trying to do…
Holy shit. Antiyanks is STILL making new accounts? I thought it was funny months ago but now this is just sad.
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It’s larger than I would like it to be, sure. But claiming a country is fascist based on 25% is just wrong. You would be right if it were the majority. Besides, if you look at the details you’ll see that many people used the far right as a protest vote (which I despise, but not the point). I doubt and perhaps hope those people aren’t actually fascist.
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They can’t, their party leader isn’t in government and there’s three other parties keeping them in check (one of those is particularly twitchy about this sort of stuff).
Besides, Dutch law does not provide many executive powers that can infringe upon freedom of speech. There’s not a whole lot they could do even if they tried.
If
.mldidn’t exist Lemmy would be reddit-level huge already.Thank god it exists then, the last thing we need is another Reddit.
Yes, thank god
.worldexists and a reminder to donate!literally no one but extremist anti-social tankies were using Lemmy before
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under 1 day LOL
Reddit already existed before .world, makeing .world completely redundant.
Reddit is not federated, not transparent, not open source. Dumb take my dude.
.world hates federation lol.
Only from those instances that like to brigade others, which is exactly why the defederation button exist.
Y’all know you can post to more than one place, right?
OP makes these posts on around a monthly basis, they have a pattern of posting these instance-drama related posts fairly regularly.
Nah I’ll keep my content off of blahaj as long as their mods want to legitimize trolls.
What’s this about, sorry? Is this the thing with keeping chasers on here (which I personally don’t agree with)?
It’s over having a community wide hard line on pronouns. Even if a suspected troll is using neo pronouns (or any pronouns frankly) that’s not a license to misgender them.
The user that sparked the recent controversy (drag) has a history of being pretty volatile/offensive but that’s still no reason to compromise on neo pronouns.
I for one would rather put up with someone ‘trolling’ while using neo pronouns (until the inevitable ban for saying something shitty) rather than tolerate anyone getting misgendered in a trans-inclusive space.
Fucking hell. Really? Thanks for telling me.
If someone wants to use a less orthodox pronoun fucking let them. Drag might have a history of being a troll but refusing to use drag’s pronouns means that drag’s gender is conditional on them being well behaved. It turns the use of anyone’s pronouns into an act of “just being polite” or “humouring them”. Its a culture of gate keeping we cannot afford to perpetuate in the current climate of anti-trans hostility.
Glad you got that off your chest. Really nice of you to just plainly spell out you don’t respect how people choose to identify
Oh please DragonFucker is 100% a troll.
You might as well start pretending 4Chan is a bunch of attack helicopters if you’re going to buy that dumbarsey.
Um ok, I didn’t name any other instance, just advocating against .ml
Um ok, I’m advocating against blahaj because it’s a toxic space
womp womp guess who didn’t play both sides
it’s a toxic space
SoftTeeth@lemmy.world
@lemmy.world
The weekly .world feud post right on time.
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You can’t see your own comments in this thread? How interesting.
Likewise the same with .world. Aim for a smaller instances community if you can contribute.
Oh boy, another post of .world furiously masturbating over the evils of .ml
Considering most .world users are (former) Reddit users, it makes sense they’d get easily spooked by *insert thunder noises and ghost sounds:
MARXISM! UuUuHh!!
That platform has turned quite to the right with their moderation and acceptance
why say this on .world?
Nobody is spooked by anything. Many (like me) have the opinion that Marxism is a trash ideology and so shit on the place where its ideas are traded the most as they’re trading trash opinions.
Nobody is spooked by anything.
This is just purely and demonstrably false. Not only it is wrong from a historical point of view, but it also ignores current political conversations in which “Leftists/Communists” are used as a scare tactic.
Many (like me) have the opinion that Marxism is a trash ideology
I see. What specific criticisms do you have for Marxism then?
Not only it is wrong from a historical point of view, but it also ignores current political conversations in which “Leftists/Communists” are used as a scare tactic.
Fair enough, i guess i also “fear” communism in a sense and believe that humanity must work to prevent ourselves from reaching such a state (at least the sort that is typical of it) but i don’t think that’s where much of the criticism on Lemmy stems from
I have a lot of criticisms, but I don’t currently have the energy for a long debate. However, my main criticism is that Marxism is unnecessary as many good things have been achieved and can be achieved under a social democracy.
There’s also the point on how Marxism is practically unachievable without collectivisation, which allows for the possibility of tyranny. Soft totalitarianism as i like to call it. It has gone wrong in the past and will probably continually do so.
I have a lot of criticisms, but I don’t currently have the energy for a long debate.
Classic.
I genuinely don’t. I have engaged in multiple debates about this stuff in the past though. I also outlined a couple of my criticisms, so if you would like to address those instead of trying to be snarky, that would be welcome
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How about minding your business
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No need to insult me bro
The .world admins are puppets of the Dutch government and the .ml admins are puppets of the Chinese government
Okay, so abiding by the law where your servers are hosted is being a Puppet.
Go stir up some drama in 196. There at least you know what you are doing.
.world Admins and mods don’t follow the Dutch law. They clearly follow there personal biases and the I think that it’s okay if they where honest.
Instead of saying we don’t like you talking about jury nullification. They say it isn’t allowed by law. Jury’s are not even a thing in the Netherlands. They say they follow the law, but they just follow a ideology and are lying about it.
.ml admins and mods clearly have a personal bias and are honest about it. You can think it’s a shit take. But you know where they stand for. Like it or not.
E: mods of communities don’t always follow there admins line of course. And there are shit mods on both instance
I feel like an old man asking this, but what is the theme of 196?
Go stir up some drama in 196.
Did you forget which post you’re commenting in?
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Is Drag your alt?
https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#our-governing-laws
(…) and Germany and Finland.
Ah yes the supply side jesus freedom ranking brought to you by citibank
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Okay and I don’t care about your uninformed opinion and yet here you are, wasting my time. 🥸
But there is an easy fix for that.
oh wow, not sure what was said but thankfully I’m lazy and hadn’t replied to that person in another post I still had up (science post I was gonna answer their incredulous questions in case they just didn’t understand but I see now it’s just a troll account). Looks like they got site banned but it’s unfortunately the shitty way where you can’t see anything they did to know what happened.
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Here’s a translation of the relevant Dutch law against violent speech:
Article 137d: “He who publicly, orally, in writing or graphically, incites hatred against, discrimination of or violent action against person or belongings of people because of their race, their religion or their life philosophy, their gender, their heterosexual or homosexual orientation or their physical, psychological or mental disability, shall be punished by imprisonment of no more than a year or a monetary penalty of the third category.”
Is being a CEO a religion now?
(Fun fact technically irrelevant to our discussion: being biphobic or aphobic is allowed in the Netherlands)
Your last point all depends whether we take the spirit of the law or the letter of the law… but perhaps there could be a non-Dutch higher court to decide any contentious points?
I’m just here having newly federated everything and glad to be the fuck away from reddit
welcome! there is constantly infighting here. you chose a good instance.
.world is the most ‘reddit’ like of Lemmy, and that’s not a compliment.
completely agree.
Lemmy.world is just more popular than other lemmy instances. At least it’s not threads.
It’s also where a lot of the bigger subreddits set up shop during the API thing, and to an extent the “default option” when setting up an account.
Yeah I started there myself but quickly migrated. Tried to find an instance that wasn’t filled with ideological rat poison and also wasn’t the mass appeal one.
I don’t think I see a lot of posts on lemm.ee though, but I think it’s fine?
There’s nothing wrong with .ml communities stop the stupid infighting, splitting discussion on Lemmy further will do nothing but hurt the fediverse.
Take a look at the modlogs from .ml admins and moderators. Their rule 1 violation is a catch-all for anything that hurts their feelings. They remove shit that clearly break no rules all the time.
Don’t believe me? Go to any .ml community and respectfully disagree with anything positivity said on the topic of Russia or china. See what happens.
It’s almost as if they’re not smart enough to know that the modlogs are public or something.
I swear I need to make a log or something at this point for when this inevitably gets brought up so I can just paste links. I frequent any community and respectfully disagree all the time. I have one moderation from when I first started and didn’t “respectfully” comment (making pooh jokes, I wasn’t trying to engage seriously in a discussion and back the mod action).
Let’s make this easy, show me one example of what you’re talking about so my mind can be changed.
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ROFL! The .ml rage is undeniable.
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You’re clearly upset. Maybe it’s best to let this rest.
“Nothing wrong” lol. Many of us have had propagandized disinformation blasted at us for recognizing realities we can see and hear with our own eyes and ears. I’ve practically been radicalized against visiting tankie spaces and it’s because of their lies and responses to myself and others…
Many of us have had propagandized disinformation blasted at us for recognizing realities we can see and hear with our own eyes and ears.
Editors note: the person above is speaking about things happening in countries they have never visited, and cannot speak the language of, as reported in press based in geopolitical enemies of those countries.
Are you pretending to be a mod, or was that a bad joke?
Anyway, this isn’t an ideology disagreement and I’m not talking about what goes on in other countries/languages, it’s an anecdote. I’m telling you what I experienced.
It wasn’t a joke; it was calling you out for bullshit. And you’re not sharing an anecdote of what happened to you. You’re vague posting and expecting people to nod along without so much as a broad categorization of what you’re talking about, let alone details.
In all likelihood you’re whining about something in which you were clearly in the wrong.
So you’re from China and can speak Chinese I assume is what you’re trying to say?
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Having a tankie instance as prominent as .ml is already hurting the Fediverse. It’s not a few bad Apple communities, it’s literally the admins and mods cultivating an instance wide Tankie culture/factory full of China-bootlicking and genocide denials
Tankie culture/factory full of China-bootlicking and genocide denials
Gee, I wonder what your disagreement is
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The beauty of the fediverse is that people can block and see whatever they want. If you don’t like what you see, that’s a you problem not .ml’s
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it’s literally the admins and mods cultivating an instance wide Tankie culture/factory full of China-bootlicking and genocide denials
Dramatic 🙄
Fine, can we concede that while they’re allowing other topics to flourish on their instance there are also unwritten rules that lead to confused banned users?
Can you elaborate about unwritten rules? Most of the bans I’ve seen has been for pretty clear rules violations, there’s some stuff which might fly on reddit (like xenophobia, sexism, racism, transphobia), that will catch a ban here. Having rules against bigotry actually getting enforced is probably a confusing occurrence for some redditors. Even people behaving hostile will generally only catch a temp ban to cool down, permanent bans are more for people who are being bigoted.
I have had plenty of issues with at least one of the admins, despite that I have yet to be censored for saying as much. The red-baiting disguised as legitimate concerns rubs me the wrong way though.
Check the modlogs. .ml uses rule 1 as a catch all for whatever is said that hurts their feelings.
Almost daily there are removals and bans that don’t break rules.
weird, looks like you got banned for the same thing on lemmy.world, (hostility, repeatedly calling people “kids” in a derogatory way, and trivializing the ongoing genocide), but only had a post removed for similar behavior on .ml.
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moderated .ml comment
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got any better examples?
The tricky bit is how you guys have redefined what xenophobia/sexism/racism/transphobia means. I don’t mind catching a ban, but at least get the reason right.
You haven’t even had any mod action taken against you on lemmy.ml from what I can tell.
Plenty of other instances that you do use have banned you for racism and trolling though.
This one from hexbear was really funny:
You are unwittingly making their point for them. Hilarious!
I remember that. Yeah, some hexbear users were saying that all white people should be killed. Apparently saying “no one should be killed for the color of their skin” is racism. Or at least according to their definition of racism.
I am so glad I blocked their instance.
Nailed it.
So you admit to paying 0 attention?
YePowerTrippingBastards on my home instance is a good starting place, have fun
Or, you know, play the classic .ml card of pretending you don’t know what we’re all talking about
Or, you know, play the classic .ml card of pretending you don’t know what we’re all talking about
Literally the only complaint of substance I’ve seen in this entire thread is people who want to be allowed to use slurs
Literally every single comment I’ve seen of yours boils down to “Oh come on, EVERYBODY says so!”
It’s almost as if you know you’re in friendly territory so you don’t actually have to have any meaning behind your words. You’re free to use them as your playthings /sartre
It’s almost as if you know you’re in friendly territory so you don’t actually have to have any meaning behind your words
More like I consider anyone who pretends not to know what we’re talking about as a willful idiot not worth taking seriously
I don’t have time to deal with those who deny reality, be it MAGA shitstains or blind tankies
More often than not someone when complains about getting banned and I bother to follow up in the modlog it turns out that they got like a 3-7 day ban for acting like an complete asshole. Then they proceed to vague post about it months later despite the ban being long over.
Most of the time, yeah. But there have been enough other cases over the past couple years that I wouldn’t put too many eggs in that basket (or any for that matter).
splitting discussion on Lemmy further will do nothing but hurt the fediverse.
No one’s saying defederate.
I am, but I already am.
There’s always someone on .world with an axe to grind lmao
Oh the irony.
The instance tribalism is ironic; most of the people complaining about .ml have also been banned from other communities for similar behavior (racism, misogyny, etc).
Not when one side considers using the phrases: dicksucking, dick riding or sissy to be the misogyny
I think the first two as commonly used are more homophobic, the latter more misogynist
Good thing your opinion isn’t consensus then
There’s still plenty of instances run by people willing to tolerate misogyny, racism and transphobia in the name of extreme centrism and defending capitalism.
I actually laughed out loud reading this in the modlog “triggered far left liberals” OK Ben Shapiro
If you left your ultra-white, ultra-left, and ultra-woke political echo chambers you’d learn that the terms dick-sucking and dick-riding comes from AAVE and is used frequently by the Black-American community. AAVE slang tends to mock the actions described in the insults and not those performing them.
I know all this because i actually interact with humans in the real world. I don’t sit at my desk all day, arguing about fuck all on the internet while extending my cultural and moral values to individuals on the internet like Americans who don’t know that words like “cunt” and “f*ggot” have meanings not tied to negative connotations outside the US do. This nuance is typically lost on the left and is why i identify as centrist nowadays.
It’s truly the most reddit of instances. And yet, here I am.
I started on .world to. You can be free one day. I believe in you.
You don’t get more free in authoritarian instances like .ml
